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Author Topic:   Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Version 1 No 3 (formerly Part III)
Coragyps
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Message 188 of 357 (393535)
04-05-2007 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Reserve
04-05-2007 4:28 PM


Re: Correlations is the game
the fact that these aircraft were buried so deeply in such a short time focuses attention on the time scales used to estimate the chronologies of ice
Attention is also worth focussing on a couple of other factors:
1) The planes were ditched in a coastal region with active ice flow, not on a central highland with essentially no surface flow, where cores were taken.
2) The annual snowfall up at the ice core sites is, from my memory, around 10 inches of moisture per year. It's more like 100 inches where the lost planes were buried. (I can Google up the maps again if need be, though the legends were in Danish.)
I have an article on ice layers, and why they do not give millions of years.
They also are never claimed to give "millions of years" by the actual scientists that cored them out of there. The longest of all cores, in Antarctica, gives 840,000 years, IIRC.
And you may not be aware that a trace of volcanic ash in one of the Greenland ice cores matches up, by layer count, to the eruption of Vesuvius in 79 AD. With a seven-year error. That's 0.4% error.
who in any case err by relying on the incomplete data of fallible scientists, rather than the infallible God who knows all data.
ROFL.
Modern-day lakes do not provide the conditions needed for the preservation of abundant fossil fish and birds.
Not all of them, no. "Euxenic" ones - those with an oxygen-free, hydrogen sulfide-rich bottom layer - do. The Black Sea, f'rinstance. Various deepish mountain lakes, like some of the pretty ones in Switzerland.

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Coragyps
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Message 204 of 357 (394341)
04-10-2007 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by JonF
04-10-2007 5:37 PM


Re: It just keeps adding up -- the earth is OLD.
A very important point, Reserve, that I trust JonF won't mind me repeating:
If your YEC "theory" does not have an explanation for that pattern your "theory" is hogwash.

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Message 242 of 357 (437332)
11-29-2007 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by johnfolton
11-28-2007 9:34 PM


Anyone familar with biological science knows the absense of oxygen causes anaerobic digestion that causes humic acids but more interestingly forms C02 which releases C14 into solution.
Anaerobic digestion gives carbon dioxide? You better check that, Whatever. I think you'll find that methane is the preferred product. Aerobes give CO2.

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Coragyps
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Message 274 of 357 (501656)
03-07-2009 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by CarlZienaTo
03-07-2009 9:35 AM


Can Age Dating methods works without error?
Of course not. Any measurement has some error - that's why the roofers bring a couple of extra squares of shingles when they redo your roof. The errors, though, can be rather astoundingly small, as RAZD showed in wonderful detail early in this thread. A recent example of this sort of dating accuracy is in the 16 January 2009 issue of Science (Garrick-Bethell et al.,, vol 323, pp356-359):
{Apollo mission sample}76535 was found in a rake sample from the ejecta blanket of a 10-m-diameter impact crater (21). Four different chronometers (U/Pb, Th/Pb, Sm/Nd, and 40Ar/39Ar) yielded indistinguishable ages of 4.2 to 4.3 billion years (22—26). Its Rb/Sr age is less certain because of spurious effects associated with olivine separates, ranging between 4.61 to 4.38 Ga (24, 27).
the footnotes are from various labs:
22. J. C. Huneke, G. J. Wasserburg, Lunar Sci. VI, 417 (1975).
23. G. W. Lugmair, K. Marti, J. P. Kurtz, N. B. Scheinin, Proc. Lunar Sci. Conf. 7, 2009 (1976).
24. W. R. Premo, M. Tatsumoto, Proc. Lunar Planet. Sci. Conf. 22, 381 (1992).
25. L. Husain, O. A. Schaeffer, Geophys. Res. Lett. 2, 29 (1975). [CrossRef] [ISI]
26. D. D. Bogard, L. E. Nyquist, B. M. Bansal, H. Wiesmann, C.-Y. Shih, Earth Planet. Sci. Lett. 26, 69 (1975). [CrossRef]
27. D. A. Papanastassiou, G. J. Wasserburg, Proc. Lunar Sci. Conf. 7, 2035 (1976).
So yes, the rubidium-strontim date is "in error" - it says those moon rocks are nearly 10% older than the other four methods agree on. And tree rings can err, too - but when you get the same answer from trees in Germany, trees in Finland, lake-bottoms in Japan, and stalagmites in Nevada, you have to sort of assume that you aren't too far off on that answer.

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Coragyps
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Message 285 of 357 (502809)
03-13-2009 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Daniel4140
03-13-2009 12:36 AM


Re: Correlations
If it is honest, I believe they will find on the level of their own experience this to be true, provided they resist "group think" and don't fall into logical traps.
Walt Brown is a master at falling into those sort of traps....have you read the section of his book where he talks about where asteroids came from? His "facts" are as far from the realm of the possible as any fantasy could be.

"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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Coragyps
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Message 289 of 357 (502837)
03-13-2009 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Daniel4140
03-13-2009 2:56 PM


Re: Use evidence I can agree with
Have any of you read his chapter on the Grand Canyon? An honest person will have to admit it is more credible than any evolutionary explanation.
I'm pretty dang honest, and I don't have to admit any such thing. Since Walt ignores essentially all the geology associated with the place, he tends to lose just a mite of credibility.
Case and point -- why should I believe YOU'all vs. what Brown says?
'Cause the laws of physics are on our side and not his.
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Coragyps
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Message 295 of 357 (502867)
03-13-2009 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by Daniel4140
03-13-2009 7:10 PM


Re: Use evidence I can agree with
Try presenting the evidence.
Try reading the first post in this thread, Daniel. RAZD has already taken care of giving you enough evidence to spend a week on.

"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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Coragyps
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Message 311 of 357 (502996)
03-15-2009 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 305 by Daniel4140
03-15-2009 12:13 AM


Re: Plenty of data online
Meanwhile, all my data for the correlations in biblical chronology is online at the link below. It is freely accessable. All the arguments, over 100 pages of charts.
But not a single certified copy of a birth certificate, or a last-known address for any of the people you chronologize from! How can I trust anything you write when you won't back any of it up?
You're being silly, Daniel.
We must reasonable rule out a hoax.
Make that "way past silly."

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