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hari
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Message 7 of 42 (502243)
03-10-2009 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Stile
03-10-2009 11:51 AM


Re: The Benefit of ID
Other benefits for evolution — it provides corroborating evidence as to the age of the world for geology and cosmology, and opened a new way of thinking that is useful in other sciences, which arguably led to many advances.
...if ID can and is shown to be correct
As I understand it, ID seeks to prove the existence of an Intelligent Designer, aka God. If it succeeds, I think science would just carry on — interesting and useful research isn’t concerned with God one way or another. But it would have profound consequences for religion — here is the outline plot for a story to frighten kids in Sunday school.
It is set in the near future, and opens with scenes from churches, temples, etc. showing wide jubilation at the unbelievable success of ID in proving the existence of the Intelligent Designer.
Obviously there is no longer any need for faith in God, as everyone now knows for sure that He exists. Faith is limited to the existence of minor celebs such as angels and demons, along with the attributes of God, such as how good is He really, are priests necessary for communication with Him, what’s the most effective method of prayer, etc.
Each religion then tries to use the now proven ID methodology to empirically determine those attributes in detail, in the hope of bolstering their own claims and undermining others. Things get pretty heated during this phase.
A strong reactionary movement forms, centered on evolution, in an attempt to claw back faith, but with the cat out of the bag forever, all religions finally die out in favor of self-improvement books and conspiracy theories.
The denouement goes back to the ‘80s and reveals that the inventors of ID were actually a group of Baptist students (I'm a Baptist) pulling a prank that got out of hand.

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hari
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Message 17 of 42 (502388)
03-11-2009 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Peg
03-11-2009 5:48 AM


Re: The Benefit of ID
Peg writes:
surely believing that God may have done it, doesnt mean we dont want to know 'how' he did it
I’m also with you on this. Isaac Newton knew Goddidit all along and it never stopped him
quote:
Newton emphasised the absolute power of God, noting that God was worthy of being worshipped not because of any infinite physical qualities He possessed, but because He was the Creator, Lord and omnipresent Master of the cosmos. Indeed, beyond pointing to his omniscience and omnipotence, and the fact that God really did exist in some physical but incomprehensible manner, Newton preferred neither to dwell on God's metaphysical properties nor with the matter of His physical relationship with His Creation.
Welcome to the Newton Project

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hari
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Message 18 of 42 (502402)
03-11-2009 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Capt Stormfield
03-11-2009 10:05 AM


Re: The Benefit of ID
Newton also said this about para-science in his Seven Statements on Religion (Philosophy=natural philosophy=science)
quote:
1 That religion & Philosophy are to be preserved distinct. We are not to introduce divine revelations into Philosophy, nor philosophical opinions into religion.
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hari
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Message 40 of 42 (502918)
03-14-2009 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Peg
03-13-2009 9:30 PM


Re: The Benefit of ID
Peg writes:
the evidence is that "species are only related within these distinct kinds" as you said above.
Can I add the work of behavioral psychologists to the mix, because I think it is building a simple story for non-specialists like me that all life is inter-connected, and undermines both ID and YEC.
- The work is engaging and easy to understand, with no technicalities to get over
- The field is advancing rapidly, with regular publication of new results
- It is not being done to prove evolution, which only makes it more persuasive
quote:
The researchers first trained the animals to swap tokens in exchange for food. Initially, the monkeys were happy to trade a token for a slice of cucumber. But when one monkey in a pair received a more sought-after grape reward instead, the animal offered the cucumber was often less than impressed. Sometimes the slighted animals refused to give up their tokens; on other occasions they took the cucumber but refused to eat it or tossed it out of the cage entirely.
"People often forgo an available reward because it is not what they expect or think is fair," Brosnan remarks. "Such irrational behavior has baffled scientists and economists, who traditionally have argued all economic decisions are rational. Our findings in nonhuman primates indicate the emotional sense of fairness plays a key role in such decision-making."
Monkey Business Is Fair Play - Scientific American
quote:
The UK/Puerto Rico team noted how the threat of violence from angry onlookers seemed to prompt the mothers to act.
Just like human babies, rhesus macaques (Macaca mulatta) have a piercing cry that is useful for grabbing their mother's attention - particularly if they are hungry.
And - as many human mums will attest - if the infant is ignored, a tantrum can result that can sometimes grate on bystanders.
Dr Semple told the BBC: "When I tell any parents of young children about this research, they get it immediately - they've felt this kind of bystander effect when their own offspring is having a public tantrum.
BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Monkey mums bow to pester power
As the results pile up, they coincidentally show strong similarities of behavior between man and apes, weaker connections between man and other mammals such as wolves, etc.
I think the field will provide a compelling case, without even mentioning it along the way, for the inter-connectedness of species in exactly the way that Darwin predicts. If we are made in God’s image then so too are all other animals.

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