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Theodoric
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Message 305 of 356 (500853)
03-02-2009 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 304 by alaninnont
03-02-2009 5:42 PM


Have you heard of logical fallacies?
You are using the logical fallcy of equivocation
The word evolution has many definitions. The one we are using is for the Theory of Evolution. The Evolution we are discussing is this is from a dictionary
Evolution - Biology. change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.
Here is the what the Theory of Evolution is technically.
1. All life forms (species) have developed from other species.
2. All living things are related to one another to varying degrees through common decent (share common ancestors).
3. All life on Earth has a common origin. In other words, that in the distant past, there once existed an original life form and that this life form gave rise to all subsequent life forms.
4. The process by which one species evolves into another involves random heritable genetic mutations (changes), some of which are more likely to spread and persist in a gene pool than others. Mutations that result in a survival advantage for organisms that possess them, are more likely to spread and persist than mutations that do not result in a survival advantage and/or that result in a survival disadvantage.

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Theodoric
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Message 314 of 356 (501106)
03-04-2009 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 312 by alaninnont
03-03-2009 10:22 PM


Thermodynamics? are you serious?
and the second law of thermodynamics where in an open or closed system, all things tend toward entropy, not increasing complexity
Do I need to provide you the links to show what utter bs this is? Please do some research on things before you recite creationist claptrap.
The second law of thermodynamics has nothing to do with evolution and does not say what you think it does.
Well maybe we need to know what you think the second law of thermodynamics says. Before you answer I want you to think about a some things; snowflakes, sand dunes, tornadoes, stalactites.
Ok. Thought about them? Now tell us what the Second law of Themodynamics says.

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Theodoric
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Message 318 of 356 (501137)
03-04-2009 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 317 by alaninnont
03-04-2009 4:09 PM


Are you claiming to be a scientist?
The science in me would like to see some data rather than just taking your word for it.
If you are you don't seem to know much about science.
Now to your description of the second law of thermodynamics.
In simple terms, all things tend toward disorder.
Utter, complete, total bullshit.
This is something even creationists should know not to bring up. The refutations are many. Evidently, you didn't think about snowflakes and such did you. Amazing the tree thing did't sink in either.
Since it is such BS, I wil just give you info I copied. Not worth wasting my time trying to explain it to you.
1. The second law of thermodynamics says no such thing. It says that heat will not spontaneously flow from a colder body to a warmer one or, equivalently, that total entropy (a measure of useful energy) in a closed system will not decrease. This does not prevent increasing order because
* the earth is not a closed system; sunlight (with low entropy) shines on it and heat (with higher entropy) radiates off. This flow of energy, and the change in entropy that accompanies it, can and will power local decreases in entropy on earth.
* entropy is not the same as disorder. Sometimes the two correspond, but sometimes order increases as entropy increases. (Aranda-Espinoza et al. 1999; Kestenbaum 1998) Entropy can even be used to produce order, such as in the sorting of molecules by size (Han and Craighead 2000).
* even in a closed system, pockets of lower entropy can form if they are offset by increased entropy elsewhere in the system.
In short, order from disorder happens on earth all the time.
2. The only processes necessary for evolution to occur are reproduction, heritable variation, and selection. All of these are seen to happen all the time, so, obviously, no physical laws are preventing them. In fact, connections between evolution and entropy have been studied in depth, and never to the detriment of evolution (Demetrius 2000).
Several scientists have proposed that evolution and the origin of life is driven by entropy (McShea 1998). Some see the information content of organisms subject to diversification according to the second law (Brooks and Wiley 1988), so organisms diversify to fill empty niches much as a gas expands to fill an empty container. Others propose that highly ordered complex systems emerge and evolve to dissipate energy (and increase overall entropy) more efficiently (Schneider and Kay 1994).
3. Creationists themselves admit that increasing order is possible. They introduce fictional exceptions to the law to account for it.
4. Creationists themselves make claims that directly contradict their claims about the second law of thermodynamics, such as hydrological sorting of fossils during the Flood.
Source

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Theodoric
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Message 353 of 356 (502990)
03-15-2009 2:20 AM
Reply to: Message 352 by Daniel4140
03-15-2009 12:34 AM


Re: Getting back to the original topic...
Divine intervention is scientific.
So which definition is the same as supernatural intervention.
Science
because I think I missed it.
1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.
2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3. any of the branches of natural or physical science.
4. systematized knowledge in general.
5. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
6. a particular branch of knowledge.
7. skill, esp. reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.

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