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Author Topic:   Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Version 1 No 3 (formerly Part III)
RAZD
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Message 333 of 357 (503168)
03-16-2009 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by Daniel4140
03-16-2009 12:24 AM


Denial is not an explanation.
So Daniel4140,
Are you going to deal with the correlations or continue to post irrelevant tidbits having nothing to do with the topic?
I take any failure to even attempt explaining the correlations as tacit admission that you have no explanation for them.
Thus the earth is old, and any belief to the contrary cannot explain all the evidence, including the evidence of correlations, for and old earth, and exists only by denial of reality.
Enjoy.
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RAZD
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Message 340 of 357 (503624)
03-20-2009 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 338 by Daniel4140
03-20-2009 5:49 PM


Re: Got some data.... need more
14C doesn't "correlate" if the tree ring matches are random and invalid.
So why do they?
What is the mechanism that makes them correlate if your analysis is correct.
Your problem is not just to show that there could be error, but why that particular error for each and every layer and no other?
According to your simplistic analysis the 14C dates should be all over the map. They aren't, therefore the logical conclusion is that your method is what is wrong.
Why don't you try the method used by dendrochronologists? It's relatively simple, and there are several examples available to help you to use it properly.
4. I have "heard" that radiocarbon dates on the inner rings of a sample date earlier than the outer rings of the same sample. I need to know the diffusion rates for 14C and 12C through the tree over time.
Try zero. Next try to track down your source of this anecdotal evidence. You ask for access to data and then provide this for rebuttal?
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RAZD
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Message 341 of 357 (503628)
03-20-2009 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 339 by Daniel4140
03-20-2009 6:04 PM


Why do they correlate?
Your Data is Bogus
So why do they correlate? Without answering that question, everything else is irrelevant.
Again, all you have is proposals from creationists for why individual systems could possibly be in error, and that if they were true that then there should be no correlation, instead the data should be randomly scattered.
Your section on varves is totally irrelevant, because it does not deal with the kind of varves in Lake Suigetsu. You've already been told this - why repeat your mistake? See Message 243, Message 329 and Message 330.
Why do the Lake Suigetsu layers correlate for depth, 14C and diatom\clay layers?
Why the correlations Daniel4140? Why does an exponentially diminishing isotope correlate with linear age when converted mathematically based on the radioactive decay rate of 14C, and why do both varve layer and 14C decay age each have a kink at the same place for a change in the rate of deposit for the layers?
Why this three-way internally consistent correlation?
Not one of your sites explains the correlations.
Calling it bogus does not make it so, you need to demonstrate why the correlations are a result if they are bogus.
I'm going to assume, that because you just post these websites with no commentary, that you lack any understanding of them, yet take them at face value.
Now explain the correlations.
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