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Dr Jack
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Message 200 of 212 (503791)
03-22-2009 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Larni
02-05-2009 1:02 PM


I always like change in allele frequency over time.
I think that's probably the shoddiest definition of evolution that gets kicked around; it is incomplete, it does not uniquely define evolution, it explains nothing and it completely fails to capture the grandeur of evolutionary theory.
It is incomplete because it does not make any mention of the mechanisms of evolution, or the historical reconstruction of evolution.
It does not uniquely define evolution because anything that changed allele frequency would be included - be it an utter randomly fluctuation or the subtle machinations of His Noodly Appendage.
It explains nothing because it does not include the reasons why allele frequencies change or the ways in which this produces change.
And, as a result of these failings, it completely fails to capture the grandeur of evolutionary theory; mentioning nothing of the overarching view of life it gives, the breadth of its explanatory power or the depth of evidence for this explanation.

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Dr Jack
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Message 204 of 212 (503799)
03-22-2009 12:49 PM
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03-22-2009 11:30 AM


This post exemplifies the spiritual/religious component of Scientific "ism". It's as easy to imagine this commentary coming from a pulpit as it is from a classroom lectern.
That's rather off-topic for this thread, perhaps you'd like to take it up here

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Dr Jack
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Message 206 of 212 (503802)
03-22-2009 1:46 PM
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03-22-2009 1:19 PM


I agree that the grandeur is in the process, not the description; but if we're to try and define evolution should we not describe the important parts of that process? That it is important to add the causes is rather my point.
And I agree that Darwin's formulation of descent with modification and natural selection is a good starting point for a definition. Certainly I think any definition that omitted them is lacking.

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