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truthlover
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Message 12 of 50 (50413)
08-13-2003 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by MrHambre
08-13-2003 3:24 PM


Excuse me for not hunting down a Spanish-English dictionary, but "En la tierra del ciegos, el tuerto es el Rey."
My Spanish is weak, but I only don't know ciegos and tuerto, so I'm curious. I'm also curious why it's not de los ciegos. I'm tired of wondering and not asking, so now I'm asking.

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truthlover
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Message 13 of 50 (50415)
08-13-2003 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Dr Jack
08-13-2003 9:52 AM


I don't think it's just Creationist. I thought I knew everything when I was fourteen too.
I have some thoughts. I don't think it's just creationists that are like that at fourteen, but I do think young creationists show up flaunting their ignorance for a reason.
Regular science is overwhelming and rarely the main interest of a 14-year-old. A normal fourteen year old is unlikely to boldly walk into a medical lab and start an argument about pathology.
Creation science is not overwhelming and is occasionally the main interest of a 14-year-old, as it is a religious/philisophical issue. Since a fundamentalist 14-year-old is likely to be told that he can confound scientists with a few simple facts, it's not surprising that he suddenly sees himself as David, his simple facts as the stones, and the scientists as the Philistine giants about to be slain for the glory of God.
On the flip side, I mourn the loss of respect for age, creationist or otherwise. I even wish that the evolutionists spoke more respectfully even to someone like Buzsaw just because of his age. That's one of those "moral decline" things I wish wasn't declining.

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truthlover
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Message 23 of 50 (50674)
08-15-2003 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by MrHambre
08-13-2003 6:27 PM


Recall that Paul (in Titus) quoted Epimenides's paradox and missed the irony. He told Titus that a Cretan philosopher had said that "All Cretans are liars," so therefore it must be true.
I doubt seriously Paul missed the irony. I suspect he simply decided to ignore it in that one instance to make his own point. People do such things all the time.
Beset by learned folks all over the place asking probing theological questions as well as pointing out errors in his logic
I don't believe this is true, either, but then, neither of us have anything to go on to back that up.
The problem is that the answer to the question is no, He hath not.
The wisdom of the world that Paul speaks of is not technological knowledge. As I look around at the wisdom of the portion of the world I am in, I am not impressed. I don't think many people knew better than Paul how to live life on earth in a manner that brings joy, and it seems obvious to me that they don't know now.
Are we materialists mere cynics busy unweaving the rainbow? Or are we paying nature the respect it deserves by taking it on its own terms?
Being anti-nature is a very modern attitude. Even the later churches were very pro learning from nature, not anti- like today. Only since the Catholic church got to hold governmental power did the church ever oppose learning from nature. Attributing such an attitude to Paul in very anachronistic, especially from a guy who said, "The heavens declare God's glory, and the firmament shows his handiwork." His science may not have been very good, but he certainly wasn't against learning from nature.

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truthlover
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Message 25 of 50 (50739)
08-16-2003 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by MrHambre
08-15-2003 4:15 PM


As for your denial that Paul was sick of being shown up by more learned folks, in first Corinthians he mentions the fact that the Jews seek signs and the Greeks want wisdom. That's when he throws his hands up and declares that the wisdom of the world is folly to the Lord.
I don't think it follows that he was losing arguments to the Greeks from this. Maybe yes, maybe no, but nothing to safely assume that.
The attitude is prevalent among the young young-earthers here.
I don't think Paul seems like the young-earthers at all.

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