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Perdition
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Message 28 of 64 (503951)
03-23-2009 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Peg
03-23-2009 5:11 AM


Evolution didn't push us towards monogamy, reason did. Evolution just pushed us toward reason.

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Perdition
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Message 36 of 64 (504295)
03-26-2009 1:17 PM
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03-25-2009 9:34 AM


You're right. I was responding to Peg, and trying to show that her logic was flawed, but in doing so, I made an error myself.
While I would argue that monogamy is not completely an evolutionary concept in humans, it is at least a major factor. Some have even tried to show that men becoming sleepy after intercourse is an evolutionary tactic to keep the man near the woman and to help an emotional bond form.
I think the fact that we need laws to stop men from creating a harem of women, or a polygamous marriage, is indicative that the evolutionary push for monogamy has not fully taken hold in men, at the very least.

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Perdition
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Message 39 of 64 (504306)
03-26-2009 6:01 PM
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03-26-2009 2:15 PM


As for harems; if you've got the resources to invest in lots of children and the power to keep control over a lot of women; then the same arguments I mentioned above for monogamy would lead to success for men with big harems.
Exactly my point. Evolutionarily, for men at least, monogamy doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's carrying all your eggs in one basket, so to speak. Which gets back to my original, though poorly phrased, point that monogamy isn't evolved, it's more that we, as a reasoning society, saw the vast upside in monogamy and the raising of children...not to mention tax laws (polygamous tax forms would have to be complex), and so made laws and taught our children that it's a good thing.

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