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olivortex
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Message 46 of 64 (504526)
03-30-2009 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Peg
03-30-2009 2:22 AM


Yes we have an instinct to eat, But some people will choose not to eat when hungry...anorexics are one example...people on hunger strikes are another. This shows that humans are not BOUND by instinct in the way other animals are.
Many people , including me, have seen a pet refusing to eat, sometimes to death, because its master was dead or gone. We can interpret this in different ways, and I'm not the kind to "humanize" cat or dogs, but it seems to me these animals also have the ability to depart from their instincts.
The instinct to care for offspring is very strong amongst all animals...except for humans who readily will kill their offspring ie abortion. Or they will neglect them and not care for them properly.
Lions sometimes kill their own offspring to get the attention of the mother again. Some sort of jealousy, to give some "human" meaning to this behaviour.
Even when it comes to Fight or flight we present a non instinctual behavior. Animals will hear a noise and run, but humans are more inclined to get closer & investigate. When a volcano erupts for example we see the smoke rising and want a front row seat...many people have died because they did not flee in time. Unlike animals who sense the danger and take to flight at the first signs of activity.
Some situations can make us ask questions about our instincts, it's true. The last well known and spectacular example that comes to my mind is the asian tsunami that costed so many lives. A large part of the people who were on the beaches fled. Some stayed watching before dying, etc.
Humans are simply more intelligent than girafes, birds or cows. They have learned what fire is. That's what allows us to take risks, even if we don't have an estimation of the risks that is precise enough. Maybe some people are unaware of the dangers that can come from the sea. I can recognize a fire, i can put a name on it. A bird can't do that.

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olivortex
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Message 51 of 64 (504587)
03-31-2009 10:38 AM


And... back to topic!
And this reply brings me back to the topic because it makes me visualize this: a human baby sucking on a nipple, just as cats, dogs, pigs and such a large proportion of the other animals do.
What differs between humans and the rest of the animals is the ability to communicate with greater depth of understanding to others of our same species as a result of increased gray matter and as a result the ability to pass down culture/learned behavior to our offspring which very few animals have the ability to do (and none that can readily increase this knowledge base of learned behavior successfully from generation to generation).
Funny thing is that people who believe in an "intelligent design" often say exactly this to support what they assert; since humans are so better at learning and increasing their knowledge, thay must be some superior beings, out of the animal world... well, you know the deal.
Edited by olivortex, : No reason given.

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olivortex
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Message 53 of 64 (504751)
04-02-2009 12:40 PM
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03-31-2009 3:27 PM


Re: And... back to topic!
Yes, and it's quite a burden when we realize we do, at best, as much harm to this ecosystem as progress in our quest to understand it.

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