Are we prisoners of sin

Why the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20? Exodus 34 is where "he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments." With no seething kids and the like..... I can, and I just did. I say there is no such thing as a god, so it is impossible to transgress against the will of one of them. There are plenty of actions that are against society and therefore fairly universally frowned upon, but "sin" is a fictional religious concept. That Calvinist BS about humans being "terribly sinful creatures" is nothing but counterproductive to thr rational person who is trying to live a decent life.

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

Right and wrong most certainly exist - we humans are social creatures living next to each other, and we all have various codes of right and wrong. "Sin" is what I reject as a meaningless concept. If this thread is about "sin" it must also be about gods, because the very concept of sin depends on some supernatural entity to {offend/be separated from/disappoint}. I can do something that causes another person pain, and feel bad and experience regret that I did it, and I can try to do better the next time, but all of that can happen without any involvment of imaginary overseers! I sure will! Please don't try to tell me what I think, Cedre. You don't know me that well.Edited by Coragyps, : fix tag

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

You're projecting your mindset onto me, Cedre. Would you care to describe for the forum which sins Coragyps enjoys so freakin' much? Which pleasures of the flesh I just can't give up?You might want to remember that a good number of the atheists on this board are former Christians. But please save us the reply of, "well, you weren't real Christians."

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

Seething a kid in its mother's milk is certainly one of the REAL Ten Commandment sins. And if that really does extend to chicken-fried steaks, I want nothing to do with such a twisted moral system.

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

That's a very interesting paper, Stags! thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Dwise1 says: Well, the entire idea of sin is purely religious and theological and, as such, really doesn't mean anything outside the context of religion.Cedre replies: I don't think that you are justified in making this quote but you are entitled to it anyway, God gave us a freedom....Point, set, and match to dwise. Are you really that dense or that blind, Cedre? "It's not religious! God says....!!"Sheesh. Thanks, dwise, for another excellent post. But West Coast Swing? The ghost of Bob Wills may trip you someday.

Yes, that's what people have been telling you for several pages of posts now. Does this have anything to do with being "prisoners of sin," though? And you appear to disapprove of the Aztecs and their murderous ways. How do you feel about Joshua, who "fit the battle of Jerico" and then "utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." Is that behavior moral or sinful, or is it OK?

Again, Cedre: which set of Ten Commandments? The ones that Moses broke into pieces, or the ones that Exodus 34:28 claims are "the ten commandments?" The ones, y'know, that were carried around in the Ark of the Covenant?

You've never read Exodus 34? You're the one here that puts so much stock in the Bible, Cedre.

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

Are you pulling our leg, Peg, or do you really not see this? Hint: what was the name of that tree?

Beg pardon? Have you even read Genesis? Of course it was a Magic Tree. There was a Magic Walking Talking Snake, too. The freakin' text demands it.

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

Speak for yourself, and quit projecting all the time.

Back away from that shrimp, Peg! We wouldn't want to lose you to Sin!!

Hmmmm. Cedre, what's that all about? "Oh, you better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
And I'm tellin' you why..."Wow! Just Wow, Cedre. That's pitiful.

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

How can you type that without your head exploding?

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD