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paullesq 
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04-07-2009 12:11 PM


American philosopher Wilfrid Sellars once said of philosophy that its aim is to 'understand how things in the broadest possible sense of the term hang together in the broadest possible sense of the term.'
The great philosophers [articus publishing].
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A firm foundation for the broadest of theories would be this, my statement:

*The big bang a single beginning denotes a single process.

Immediately one is forced to look at the process of biological evolution with new eyes to see how the process fits in with the single process idea. My argument would be that what we have in the mainstream understanding of what counts as the only real type of 'evolution' [victorian slang term for biological evolution], counts as only a portion, a chapter of a much larger process.
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Where does the potential for evolution itself come from?
If one was to dispense with the use of one word victorian slang term, wipes nose on sleeve 'evolution', then the quetion becomes more precise.
Where does the potential for biological evolution come from?
As a broad question asking how anything that has complexity came into existence, the answer by experience is that it came from a most basic representation of itself.

If my 'single beginning single process' statement holds true then you cannot have 'natural selection' without accepting the evolution of the inorganic, the process of primordial evolution by means of primal selection.
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Shall we say that the big bang happened the Earth formed and then the process of modification descent by means of natural selection just magically kicked in?
That is the science of gaps, today's mainstream thinking would have it that way.
My way of thinking makes more sense, im a man who believes that evolution began with the big bang.
The big bang started a single process and that single process has moved through three punctuated chapters, from rock to flesh and blood and in to the minds of men. Dissection of the single path of evolution has been performed logically by use of *statements that i hold to be true. I use statements to hone my thinking in order to gain a train of thought, simply i lay down tracks.
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*It i the total difference in a phenomenon that makes it stand out.
In the case of evolution it is the type of material and the domain in which it operates.
Inorganic, organic, mind.
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Because the idea is new then there is no getting away from it, new labels and terms are needed to explain the theory. Innovation. Some thinkers [?] may have a problem with innovation.

The process of Primordial evolution by means of primal selection... Inorganic.
The process of Biological evolution by means of natural selection.... Organic.
The process of human mental evolution by means of conscious selection...Mind.
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*Given breadth, when broadened out, evolution gains direction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMwn_hnoS5Y

The process of primordial evolution, the evolution of the inorganic looks nothing like the process of biological evolution at first glance, if it did then there would be no need to separate the two. So unlike are the two types of evolution some may contend that the two are not related at all, if indeed that is the case then science is left with the problem of how you get something from nothing, or where did the mechanism of modification descent by means of natural election come from. Im attempting to answer that question by most simple logic, that is that modification descent and selection began with the big bang.

What is primal selection?
The answer is so simple it may rest as unsatisfactory to some, not sexy enough.
Difficult to acknowledge that inorganic force acting on inorganic material yields a selected result, but then that is how you get something from nothing.
The process of primordial evolution and biological evolution do share some similarities, that is, sometimes there is build and sometimes not.
A scenario of build that clearly shows modification descent by means of primal selection is the evolution of our solar system. Our solar system is a pocket of balance, its balance was not gained at its very first attempt, during the accretion process the plantesimals collided and jostled for position. Inorganic material was modified in spates of such interaction. Primordial evolution lacks the facility to store and pass on information in the exact same way that dna in biological evolution does. What is passed on within the sphere of inorganic evolution is the modified inorganic material itself.
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In primordial evolution, as one might imagine the meaning of 'modification descent and selection' are regressed to there most basic meaning.
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Proof of the exsistence of Primal selection by Triangulation.
Natural selection.
Consciouse selection.

paul.

Just when you think you know something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EdWgsTUhmI

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04-08-2009 8:21 AM
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It might help people better understand your ideas if you defined primal selection. Can you edit that into your post, then post a note here so I know you're done and I'll take another look.


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Exscuse my dyslexia, my scrawl.
I hope i am making sense.
paul.

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