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onifre

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Message 6 of 78 (505188)
04-08-2009 4:31 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by paullesq
04-07-2009 12:11 PM

Mine is not to demolish your undertanding of evolution, [wipes nose on sleeve] mine is to build upoin it.

I really can't see, by reading what you wrote, where you are trying to do this.

I did find this:

So unlike are the two types of evolution some may contend that the two are not related at all, if indeed that is the case then science is left with the problem of how you get something from nothing

Abiogenesis, if that is what you are refering to, is simply studied in a different field of science from biological evolution.

They are related to each other as a studied field in science.

But, they are however studied by different professionals; as would be the difference between a Astrophysicist and a Theoretical physicist.

Im attempting to answer that question by most simple logic, that is that modification descent and selection began with the big bang.

No. Descent with modification and selection, in the biological sense, only "begins" when there are biological systems functioning with those mechanisms. The "begining" of biological systems is a grey area.

Now, if you are talking about the elements that make up the chemicals in inorganic materials, you would be closer to the correct answer with the Big Bang. Not so far back as the Big Bang, but a few hundred-thousand years after that.

- Oni

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Message 13 of 78 (505295)
04-09-2009 9:45 PM

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04-09-2009 7:19 AM

The big bang a single beginning denotes a single process.

Yes, but this is a laymen interpretation of the Big Bang. In science the Big Bang does not represent a "beginning", it is just the moment of the cosmological expansion, but prior to that moment, the "universe" existed in another form. So no actual "starting point" can be claimed at the Big Bang.

The single process has moved through three punctuated phases. Although the three phases can be viewed and studied independently of each other they do blend together.

I can agree with that.

Abiogenisis is the blending/transitional period where one type of evolution becomes another.

Indeed it is my understanding that it is not the process of modification decent by means of selection that changes but rather the circumstances that the process finds itself in.

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Necessity is the mother of invention. [Plato]

Context = coherence.

The process of primordial evolution by means of primal selection. Red
The process of biological evolution by means of natural selection.Blue
The process of human mental evolution by intelligent selection. Yellow

The colours can be seen blending together so as to paint a picture, or they can be viewed seperatly naked on the pallete.

All this is cool.

Don't mean to be rude, Paul, but whats your point?

Are you trying to talk about the emergence of consciousness, or something like that?

Sorry, but I'm not following.......

- Oni

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks

"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre

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Message 40 of 78 (506400)
04-26-2009 1:30 AM

Reply to: Message 37 by paullesq
04-25-2009 9:35 PM

Posted by American dude, what the fuck are you talking about?

Percy said "pardon my french" and you felt compelled to write a huge post about slang terms. Yet, when asked to clarify your comments in your posts, you give us poetry and nonsensical replies.

So, what the fuck, french dude?

Give us something as substantial, like what you wrote to Percy about slang, in reference to what you are talking about in your openning post, and those that followed.

Fine, you are not illiterate, you clarified that, now stop being vague about the other stuff - for fucks sake.

Edited by onifre, : added a few 'fucks' here and there...

Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks

"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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