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Author Topic:   Does intelligent design have creationist roots?
Huntard
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Message 5 of 151 (505304)
04-10-2009 1:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Fallen
04-09-2009 6:36 PM


And even using logic...
While the others have given you reasons wy ID is creationism, even when you use simple logic, you can get to that fact.
It goes something like this:
Who/what is the designer? There are really only 2 possibilities. Either they are aliens with advanced technology, or it is a supernatural being. If it is aliens, then where did they come from. If they "evolved" through natural means, then the step has just been moved one place. If they're also designed, then who is their designer? Here there are also 2 possibilities. Either they are other aliens, or it is a supernatural being. You can keep this up for a while, but eventually you'll have to come to the supernatural being, because we know life hasn't always existed. Well, and dealing with the supernatural, just isn't science. Guess what does deal with the supernatural? That's right, creationism!

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Huntard
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Message 24 of 151 (505692)
04-15-2009 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Fallen
04-15-2009 1:31 PM


Re: Innocent until proven guilty.
Fallen writes:
Aliens with advanced technology need not have bodies that are filled with indicators of intelligent design, as we do.
Yeah, the thing is, we don't have that either. But if this was the case, the theory of evolution still holds true for the aliens.
Other suggestions I have seen include the world of the matrix and future humans using time machines.
If the matrix is the case, then humans still evolved, yet the world we see around us isn't "real". In case of the time machine, you run into a paradox, namely, where did those future humans come from? If their ancestors HAD to be designed by them, then they couldn't have gotten there, now could they?
Even if we assume that the designer was a god, that still leaves many options open other than a literal interpretation of Genesis.
And who said "creationism" only refers to a literal interpretation of Genesis? "Creationism" is simply every belief that a supernatural being or force is responsible for the life of this planet, or even the planet or the universe itself. There are Hindu creationists, you know.

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