EvC Forum: False dilemma/'created dilemma'

So you didn't like my answers? Ok, but why, just because?

I have re-read my answers and re-read your questions, where's the problem?

With all due respect, I am sure you are a bright man. However, I think you have sought out an easy answer to the question.

IW, let's see if I have fully understood your question:

IW writes:

Is there REALLY a dilemma between a cosmology and worldview of a monotheistic, creator God who possesses the ability to reveal Himself to us and the world of 'science' and origin?

It seems like there could only be 2 answers for this question, Yes or No.

"Is there really a dilemma.....?" - My answer again, NO.

But, without anyting further, my "no" answer would be kinda vague, so I followed with a statement to qualify my position:

Oni writes:

The only dilemma occurs when people try to replace tried and tested theories, which perfectly explain a phenomenon, with their own individual worldview(WV) without any proper evidence to support their (WV), other than faith in it.

Theology is cool. Belief in whatever one wishes is fine. However, the rejection of science because of one of these beliefs, in my opinion, seems like a very stupid thing to do.

You also asked:

IW writes:

Or, is this 'dilemma' something we as human beings have 'created' through faulty reasoning and analysis and a very, very strong desire to advance our own causes, whatever they may be?

Again, seems like a Yes or No answer.

To which I responded:

Yes.

Then qualified that answer with a descriptive reason why:

Oni writes:

the dilemma is created by humans, humans with religious beliefs.

If creationist learned science a huge veil would be lifted in front of their face expossing the true nature of our world to them. This, I think, would be a huge benefit to both them and our society in general. There is no need for their constant nonsense about evolution and the Big Bang, or whatever else the have a problem with. It really is annoying, but fun to debate, so I guess a part of me doesn't want to see them totally go away. I would be bored not arguing with them.

So, with all do respect, I believe I not only addressed your question but qualified my position with a clear and descriptive statement.

If you feel it was an "easy" answer then explain why, don't send me back to redue my homework.

While this is perfectly understandable, and more common than what is desirable, I suggest you re-read the question and re-think your answer

You asked 2 questions, "Is there a dilemma", and "Is it created by humans"...

Both are simple Yes or No questions.

Perhaps you could bring up some dilemmas of your own and we could see if the dilemma is a science related dilemma or a theological dilemma.

Until then, you've simply asked 2 questions, to which I gave answers and a statment to back up that answer and you have given no position of your own.

So maybe you should re-read my answers, show me where my mistakes are, and establish your position.

Feel free to take an extended period of time.

You then asked this final question:

IW writes:

Are we REALLY looking for answers or are we looking to 'win' a battle within the larger culture war?

My answer:

Oni writes:

Scientists are working as honestly as they can to answer questions about our natural world. Culture wars are irrelevant to their work.

Seems like a clear and to-the-point enough answer, where do you see a problem with it?

Do you feel there are deceptive scientist out there trying to con us about something? Ok - Then explain where and how they are being deceptive.

Just present your issue/dilemmas/problems and give us something to debate you on.

Where do you see a dilemma?
Which side do you feel is being hard to work with?
Which side do you feel is being deceptive?

Just say what you have to say, and we'll go from there.

IW writes:

Besides, if that is his real image beside his response,

As Straggler pointed out, that's the late, great Bill Hicks. I should be so lucky.

Even though his old girlfriend/manager and I are now great friends.

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks

"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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