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Larni
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Message 136 of 208 (504618)
03-31-2009 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by DD2014
03-31-2009 2:00 PM


Re: Bible predicts blockage.
Who would have thought the bible would have a translation error?
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DD2014
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Message 137 of 208 (505906)
04-19-2009 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Theodoric
03-31-2009 3:12 PM


Re: Bible predicts blockage.
Ya I know, poor choice of words. I meant it in my own personal experience in churches and the people in them.
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Peg
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Message 138 of 208 (505921)
04-20-2009 7:08 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by Force
06-03-2008 9:24 PM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
force writes:

life is not simply in the blood.

so a person/animal will still live when all their blood is drained?


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Perdition
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Message 139 of 208 (505954)
04-20-2009 2:39 PM
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04-20-2009 7:08 AM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
so a person/animal will still live when all their blood is drained?

No, it won't. Likewise, a perosn will not live if the brain is removed. Does that mean "life is in the brain?"

I believe what Force is saying is that singling out blood as where life is, is scientifically inaccurate because the body requires many substances and features in order to work. Life is in the combination of everything, not in any one thing.


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purpledawn
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Message 140 of 208 (505968)
04-20-2009 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Peg
04-20-2009 7:08 AM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
quote:
so a person/animal will still live when all their blood is drained?
Have you had a health class?

Without oxygen one cannot live even with all the blood in tact. Life is also in oxygen.

Of course oxygen can't be exchanged, splattered, drunk, etc. Blood has more of a visual impact. The shock factor.

Don't confuse creative writing with reality.

Edited by purpledawn, : Added line


"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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Peg
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Message 141 of 208 (505985)
04-21-2009 3:52 AM
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04-20-2009 7:43 PM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
purpledawn writes:

Without oxygen one cannot live even with all the blood in tact. Life is also in oxygen.

and oxygen is processed by the...


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Message 142 of 208 (505989)
04-21-2009 7:05 AM
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04-21-2009 3:52 AM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
and oxygen is processed by the...

....mitochondria of the body's cells. Red blood cells just shuttle it around.


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Peg
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Message 143 of 208 (506065)
04-22-2009 6:53 AM
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04-21-2009 7:05 AM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
Coragyps writes:

mitochondria of the body's cells. Red blood cells just shuttle it around.

which is why bad circulation can lead to ...


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Michamus
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Message 144 of 208 (506084)
04-22-2009 9:44 AM
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04-22-2009 6:53 AM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
Peg writes:


which is why bad circulation can lead to ...

Oh, oh, oh! I know! I know! Teacher Peg, please pick me!

Your straw-man failed at the doorstep. Anyone can understand that if something bleeds too much, it is going to die. I highly doubt that any culture was ignorant to this fact. Naturally, lore would claim that blood is the life force of us.

Little did they know, that no one part of our system is truly the only part we need.

As has been aptly put, the lack of oxygen can lead to the death of a person, regardless of their blood volume. Here are a few others:


  • The removal of one's brain matter (or a significant enough portion of it) leads to one's death, regardless of their blood volume.
  • The removal of one's digestive tract leads to one's death, regardless of their blood volume.
  • The removal of one's liver leads to one's death, regardless of their blood volume.
  • The removal of one's spinal column can lead to one's death, regardless of their blood volume.
  • The removal of one's skeleton leads to one's death, regardless of their blood volume.

Do I really need to go on? Pack up the argument Peg, it has died from loss of blood ;)


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John 10:10
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Message 145 of 208 (506267)
04-24-2009 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Theodoric
03-31-2009 3:12 PM


Re: Bible predicts blockage.
http://www.eyeoftheneedle.net/Church%20Traditions/eye_of_a_needle.htm

Regardless of what one may think the "eye of the needle" is or means, it's impossible to enter the kingdom of God without repentance.

Jesus declared this in Luke 5:32,

"I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance."


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Michamus
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Message 146 of 208 (506298)
04-25-2009 2:37 AM
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04-24-2009 3:37 PM


Re: Bible predicts blockage.
John 10:10 writes:


Regardless of what one may think the "eye of the needle" is or means, it's impossible to enter the kingdom of God without repentance.

Jesus declared this in Luke 5:32,

"I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance."


Well, if Jesus never mentioned the eye of the needle, and it is written in the Gospels that he did, how do you know if any of it is even true? Kind of hard for him to mention the eye of the needle, when it didn't even exist.

Edited by Michamus, : Corrected minor typos


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Peg
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Message 147 of 208 (506309)
04-25-2009 5:02 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Michamus
04-22-2009 9:44 AM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
what keeps all the organs functioning?

And what happens when the blood stops getting thru to a particular organ or part of the body???


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Peg
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Message 148 of 208 (506310)
04-25-2009 5:04 AM
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04-25-2009 2:37 AM


Re: Bible predicts blockage.
Michamus writes:

Kind of hard for him to mention the eye of the needle, when it didn't even exist.

needles must have existed in some form...how else did they sew their clothes???


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lyx2no
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Message 149 of 208 (506321)
04-25-2009 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Peg
04-25-2009 5:02 AM


Left Front
And what happens when the blood stops getting thru to a particular organ or part of the body???
The point you seem to be ignoring is that your argument can only be valid if blood were singularly vital. Is the left front tire the life of a car? It must be: the car can't go without it.

Edited by lyx2no, : Typos.


Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.
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Michamus
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Message 150 of 208 (506346)
04-25-2009 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Peg
04-25-2009 5:04 AM


Re: Bible predicts blockage.
Peg writes:


what keeps all the organs functioning?


Oxygen, water, and nutrients.

Peg writes:


And what happens when the blood stops getting thru to a particular organ or part of the body???


It stops receiving nutrients, oxygen, and water for it's affected cells. What happens to the blood if you don't have bone marrow? By your own logic bone marrow is the essence of life, as red blood cells could not continue to exist without it.
Peg writes:


needles must have existed in some form...how else did they sew their clothes???


ROFL! HAHAHA! Man Peg, you have really got me rolling now. Are you honestly telling me you confused a parable Jesus gave in Luke about a Camel going through the "Eye of a needle" (a GATE) with a sewing needle? Where is your Biblical knowledge now? ROFL!
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