Uncreated Creator Argument

Or we also have "God was created by God." Which sounds curiously human to me. The key idea here, in my mind at least, is the source of the conclusion. Basically we have a universe that, as far as we know, started from four basic nonliving elements. Now, billions of years on down the road, we have one of the lifeforms, namely us, explaining how the origin came to be. We have successfully stripped the origin of any human or intellectual capabilities and are refining our argument as we speak.Who invented logic?Does the inventor benefit from being the source of the logic?

The point i am getting at is the fact that we humans, by attempting to theorize a universe without a Creator, in effect become the source of the explanation for something that occurred before we were even around to begin with!!

The point I am asserting is that He imagined us first, before we even had the brain cells to imagine Him.Yes, it is unprovable.Is it simple minded to imagine that a Creator foreknows us and has everything under comprehension, if not control?Sometimes, it is better to talk of our ideas of God from a philosophical hypothetical, rather than Theological position.Seems to me the main reason you gave up on Him is because you saw Christians behaving badly and figured He did NOT have things under control, IF He existed.

First of all, I was talking to Taz and not to atheists in general, or to you. So step off the soapbox and quit labeling all Christians together! As long as you brought the issue up, however, I will give you my two cents.Some of us do have an unsupportable faith. It is illogical, given that there is no replicable experiment to prove its validity. Many of us patiently endure the endless comments about "magical Sky Daddies" or "fairy tales for grownups" that we often hear. Speaking for myself, however, I believe in God. I believe that He imagined/created me (either directly or indirectly) long before I or you or any of humanity even had the capability to imagine Him or to make Him up in some legendary myth. I do not rely on evidence for every single situation in my life. Faith is faith precisely because of the absence of evidence. I don't worry about you or Taz or anyone else losing their soul because they do not believe as I do. I am a religious volunteer for the State of Colorado, however, and have been given permission to share my faith with various inmates around the system and consider that a cherished freedom and responsibility on my part. If you or anyone else attempted to take that away from me, I would only then have an issue with you. I never push my religion on anyone, but only share if given the opportunity. Among Christians, I am more open minded than most. Concerning the existence of God, I realize that I could be wrong in my belief, but maintain that there is at least an equal chance that you could be also. IF such an entity as a Spirit exists, no current scientific method exists to measure, prove, or disprove such an entity. Thus, we have forums that are labeled Faith and Beliefwhere we can discuss such possibilities.