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Author Topic:   Are we prisoners of sin
PaulK
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Message 385 of 454 (506303)
04-25-2009 3:43 AM
Reply to: Message 382 by Peg
04-25-2009 3:16 AM


Re: Sin and Salvation
Well you obviously think that the words attributed to Jesus are incorrect. Can you explain then why you chose to quote them ? And whether you think that it is the Gospel that is in error or Jesus himself ?

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PaulK
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Message 387 of 454 (506311)
04-25-2009 5:11 AM
Reply to: Message 386 by Peg
04-25-2009 4:50 AM


Re: Sin and Salvation
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I certainly do believe Jesus words. If i did not, i wouldnt bother arguing for them.
Since you are arguing AGAINST these then you obviously do not consider them to be Jesus
words. So why did you quote that text ?
quote:
What is incorrect is purpledawns explanation of the verse in question. In msg 369 she said "It shows that God can make or allow bad things to happen due to no fault on the part of the person."
But that is what it says:
3. "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.
The blindness isn't due to any fault of the man's he is blind so that Jesus can show God's power by miraculously curing him.
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this is not in harmony with what we know of God and what the bible says such as James 1:13 "When under trial, let no one say: "I am being tried by God." For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone."
So your interpretation of James contradicts the words attributed to Jesus, and that is why you reject them.
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I believe that 'All scripture is inspired by God' therefore, if one belief contradicts a scripture, then its the belief that is wrong, not the word of God.
In this case you are claiming that scripture is wrong and your belief is right.

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PaulK
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Message 401 of 454 (506521)
04-27-2009 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 398 by Peg
04-27-2009 5:04 AM


Re: contradiction?
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the bible only contradicts itself when you apply a certain belief that is contradictory to what the bible says
That belief appears to be the idea that the Bible means what it says. Once you take the view that the "correct" interpretation of a verse can be the opposite of what it actually says you've essentially thrown out the Bible. And, as we've seen, you're prepared to do exactly that.

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