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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3479 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:What in Matthew 24:29 was proven by science to be accurate? That the sun can be darkened?That the moon can be darkened? That stars can fall from the sky? That heavenly bodies can be shaken? The accuracy value of Matthew 24:29 is not whether each separate action can be associated with a recognized natural action, but whether all these natrual events have or can happen together as described.
quote:What evidence do you have that shows what first century people knew about the size of the sun? There is a difference between creative writing and scientific writing. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3479 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Unfortunately you haven't shown anything yet. For this discussion to move forward, you need to provide the evidence that supports your contention. What in Matthew 24:29 was proven by science to be accurate? That the sun can be darkened?That the moon can be darkened? That stars can fall from the sky? That heavenly bodies can be shaken? The accuracy value of Matthew 24:29 is not whether each separate action can be associated with a recognized natural action, but whether all these natrual events have or can happen together as described. As I said in Message 26: There is a difference between creative writing and scientific writing. The OT authors routinely used cosmic upheaval language when describing God's judgment on man. Isaiah 13:10 (Judgment against Babylon)Joel 2:10, 2:31, 3:15 Haggai 2:6 & 21 The goal of extreme imagery such as the above verses is to generate fear. I say that because to the best of my knowledge the cosmic upheaval described in the above verses did not happen as described. The creative rendition of the natural world isn't meant to match up with the scientific description of the natural world. One evokes emotion and the other provides facts. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3479 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
I know you're getting many responses and have probably missed mine, but could you read Message 46 if you haven't and respond accordingly.
Thanks "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3479 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:You've said this once before, but I can't find any info on a current discovery concerning the Code of Hammurabi and when it was written. Is the year different than what is in Wiki?
The Code of Hammurabi (also known as Codex Hammurabi) is one of the earliest and best preserved law codes from ancient Babylon, created ca. 1760 BC (middle chronology). It was enacted by the sixth Babylonian king, Hammurabi.[1] Earlier collections of laws include the codex of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (ca. 2050 BC), the Codex of Eshnunna (ca. 1930 BC) and the codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (ca. 1870 BC).
Can you provide more information concerning this recent discovery? The Seven Laws of Noah are inferred from Chapter 9 of Genesis. According to the Documentary Hypothesis, Chapter 9 of Genesis, as well as the 10 Commandments, were written by the Priestly writer.
Preoccupied with the centrality of the priesthood, and with lists (especially genealogies), dates, numbers and laws. P describes a distant and unmerciful God, referred to as Elohim. P partly duplicates J and E, but alters details to stress the importance of the priesthood. P consists of about a fifth of Genesis, substantial portions of Exodus and Numbers, and almost all of Leviticus. P has a low level of literary style. Composed c 550-400 BC. Did they find the Hammurabi documents to be younger than the priestly writings? "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3479 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Have you had a health class? Without oxygen one cannot live even with all the blood in tact. Life is also in oxygen. Of course oxygen can't be exchanged, splattered, drunk, etc. Blood has more of a visual impact. The shock factor. Don't confuse creative writing with reality. Edited by purpledawn, : Added line "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3479 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:This is what happens when you don't read a sentence in the context of the argument. IOW, read what came before. John 10:10 (the poster not the verse) is right that it is a creative way to say impossible. Even through the difficulties of translation the point is still the same. It isn't supposed to be literal.
HEBREW NEW TESTAMENT STUDIES What we have instead then, I believe, is a beautiful Hebrew hyperbole, as in the tree sticking out of one's eye whilst one is removing a speck in another's eye! Indeed, Jewish Talmudic literature uses a similar aphorism about an elephant passing through the eye of a needle as a figure of speech implying the unlikely or impossible: So whether it is supposed to be camel or rope, the point is still the same. Even if people want to think it is a small gate, the point is still the same even if the gate didn't exist at the time Mark wrote. I'm not sure why Larni brought this up in this topic since it's obviously a figure of speech. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3479 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Honey, they didn't go to the store for steaks. They killed their meat. How do you think they figured out the quickest way to kill for sacrifices? Stop being dense. For rituals though blood has a better Wow factor. We can splatter, drink, boil, collect and bath in blood. Blood is readily available when a contract needs to be signed. In case you don't understand that, it means they cut themselves to provide the blood. Remember blood can also be considered unclean. A woman's monthly flow, or blood from unclean animals. Drowning and strangulation, not as dramatic. Can't do much with oxygen in a ritual. We don't disagree that the ancients understood that loss of blood could kill, but we don't agree that the ancients understood what we understand about blood today. That doesn't negate what they did know. We build our knowledge on the knowledge of the past. First we know that blood loss can lead to death and later we understand why it can lead to death and how to stop it in some cases. I suggest you put this blood issue to bed and come up with a new example of where science and the bible meet. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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