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Rahvin
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Message 61 of 64 (506264)
04-24-2009 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Stile
04-24-2009 2:42 PM


Re: A bit more clarity
Exactly. The whole point is that cosmology and quantum physics are counterintuitive. They make absolutely no sense to the human mind, which has evolved in a very specific and predictable environment.
If anyone ever thinks that they have an intuitive understanding of quantum physics or cosmology, they simply have no understanding of those subjects at all. Human "common sense" just doesn't apply - that's why we need to use math.

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onifre
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Message 62 of 64 (506266)
04-24-2009 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by nchunz
04-24-2009 2:34 PM


I appreciate If i could get more information about this observer in quantum world. The new thing is the observer doesn't have to be a conscious entity, is it true?
It is not the "new thing", this has always been the thing.
When one says "relative to the observer", the observer can be something as simple as a particle. It can also mean "relative to you - the observer". In QM the "observer" could be a virtual particle, in the macro world the "observer" could be another star - or you. It simply means a coordinate/reference point.
If it's true, then their model will fail
It is and it does.
I know universe has a singular condition at T=0 before expanding. At singular state, the temperature is so hot and more dense, their value are infinite according to general relativity.
How come the condition with infinite value become finite?
The "infinite value" is given when the equations run to infinum. At bellow Plank scale our current models fail to describe spacetime and therefore equate to infinum.
The "finite value" of the macro world - the reality you experience - is finite because our mathematics equates it to a "real" number value.
All of universe's properties are in exact value. The speed of light, gravity, etc, they are in exact value.
I don't know what you mean by "value", the laws of physics that govern our universe are a by-product of the 4D universe that we are in, they are not preexisting laws. In fact, they aren't laws at all, we just call them laws because they follow a predictable pattern.
I think that's the only reason the creationists have, to prove there was an intelligent being whom determined the value of each universe's properties to become as it is.
That is only because they feel these values are preexisting and determined by the god that they already believe in. If they were to study it properly no such conclusion would be derived at.
- Oni

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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Huntard
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Message 63 of 64 (506269)
04-24-2009 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by nchunz
04-24-2009 2:34 PM


To add to what Rahvin has said.
What you also seem to be getting at is the so often heard "the universe is just perfect for life!". This is not a correct way of stating it.
What should be said is that life is perfect for this universe. What do I mean by that? Simple, the universe doesn't exist so that life could arise in the manner that it did on this planet. Life arose as it did because it needs to fit its environment to survive. So in this universe, it couldn't have developed any other way on our planet, but that doesn't mean that were the universe any different, life couldn't arise at all.

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nchunz
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Message 64 of 64 (506509)
04-27-2009 2:44 AM


@Rahvin
Yeah, it does make sense.
@onifre
Well, it's new for me
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I found an article that saying "an observer does not need to be conscious of the outcome of a quantum detection" with some experiments. This is what i called 'Science' lol
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But, i'm not quite sure i understand the experiment the scientist did. Does anyone know about this experiment and can explain to me?

  
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