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paullesq 
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Message 66 of 78 (507501)
05-05-2009 4:39 PM


Catholicscientist writes:
He copied and pasted it...
Can't get anything past you eh Sherlock. Have you read my full confession to onfire.
paullesq writes:
I'm not french. The explanation of 'excuse my french' was copied and pasted from the web.
The last few lines struck a chord with me.
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Get real.
It is an overview of 'evolution' that I am trying to explain.
The 'single chain of evolution' theory that starts with the big bang is divided in to three chapters. Even an idiot could understand it.
paul.

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Message 68 of 78 (507506)
05-05-2009 5:17 PM


catholicscientis writes:
How, or why exactly, does a single beginning denote a single process? Could not a single beginning lead to multiple processes?
Zackly... Lead to a multiple of processes... You mean that there was one process and all the others branched out from the single one. If you had a mind too you could collect together all the different types of interactions and processes and place them into categories by type. Inorganic organic mind.
You're "theory" really just lacks any evidence. I don't see any reason to speculate on how biological evolution could be a part of some bigger process other than your say-so.
So your not asking the big questions then.
Evidence, if the question is 'where did that complex process [item] come from, then by experience you look for something less complex.
The process of primordial evolution is less complex than biological evolution. It makes perfect sense.
You seem to be looking with hind-sight and then recognizing a pattern and thus concluding that the direction is there. Its the same problem of seeing a puddle and concluding that the pothole was designed to fit around the water.
The problem you speak off is not a problem. The ability, the potential to understand and manipulate nature is greater than nature. That is what good intelligent selection is all about.
The single chain of evolution theory was constructed when i was an atheist, by its understanding i became agnostic. Those with religion have nothing to fear from the theory. Evolution gains direction.
In all of this i never intended to put the big three together.
The big bang, biological evolution and God.
Biological Evolution requires replication. The "potential for biological evolution" comes about because organisms don't replicate perfectly. Its not nearly as amazing as your incredulity alludes to.
Biological evolution requires replication, the more primitive process does not.
Amazing, have you ever showed a child a magic trick and then gone on to show him how the trick was done. If the trick was astounding enough then the magic is never lost.
And you also mention "something from nothing". Well, there was never "nothing" and there has always been "something", so there's no real point in discussing that.
That's right, you cannot have 'natural selection' without primal selection.
Oh, and if you put down the straw your nose will stop running.
Smile.
paul

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paullesq 
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Message 69 of 78 (507507)
05-05-2009 5:20 PM


paullesq writes:
Evidence, if the question is 'where did that complex process [item] come from, then by experience you look for something less complex.
Not strictly true. You might look for something more complex.
paul.

  
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Message 72 of 78 (507516)
05-05-2009 6:13 PM


Catholicscientist writes:
So then its not a single process....
Wtf were you typing about then?
Shall i repeat it for you.
If you had a mind too you could collect all the processes and place them into categories.
Three chapters one book get it?
paul.

  
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Message 73 of 78 (507522)
05-05-2009 6:30 PM


paullesq writes:
The process of primordial evolution is less complex than biological evolution.
Catholic writes:
But you have no evidence that there is even such a thing as primordial evolution. Basically, you're just making it up.
That old chestnut...
You seem to be having trouble with 'innovation'.
Shame...
It's new, your making it up, awwww piffle.
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You do realise that Darwinian 'natural selection' is constant don't you.
If i am to explain then you are to understand it.
Paul.

  
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Message 74 of 78 (507524)
05-05-2009 6:44 PM


catholicscientist? writes:
And you also mention "something from nothing". Well, there was never "nothing" and there has always been "something", so there's no real point in discussing that.
paullesq writes:
That's right, you cannot have 'natural selection' without primal selection.
scientist? writes:
Non-sequitor.
Besides that's an unsupported assertion. Support it please or I get to counter it with my own:
"Yes you can."
...........Come see the man who contradicts himself in the space of a few lines...........
paul.

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Message 75 of 78 (507525)
05-05-2009 6:50 PM
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05-05-2009 6:44 PM


Please see Message 43 and take it down a notch. Thanks.
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Thanks but there is really no need, i will give as good as i get.
paul.

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Message 76 of 78 (507527)
05-05-2009 6:59 PM


paullesq writes:
The ability, the potential to understand and manipulate nature is greater than nature. That is what good intelligent selection is all about.
Whoopty
Science strives to understand everything, God has already made that claim.
paul.

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