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Topic: Fulfillments of Bible Prophecy
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 13 of 327 (506740)
04-28-2009 5:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 12 by PaulK
04-28-2009 5:07 PM
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Wasn't Ezekiel written during the Babylonian Exile ? What makes you think that it has anything to do with the 20th Century ? It probably doesn't, which as was stated earlier, these so called prophecies are so vague that one can take it to mean almost anything.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 35 of 327 (506800)
04-29-2009 9:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 28 by Peg
04-29-2009 5:10 AM
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455 BCE - 483yrs = 28 CE Of course there is no year '0' so you must add 1yr which brings us to 29CE. The very year Jesus was baptized and began gathering disciples . Daniel further stated that "After the sixty-two weeks Messiah will be cut off, with nothing for himself." (Da 9:26) Remember that the 'week' is equivalent to 7 years, so 'half' a week equates to 3.5 years. This was the length of Jesus ministry. He was baptized in the autumn of 29CE and crucified at the passover of 33CE - 3 & 1/2 years in total. That would be an assumption that Christ was born right at the BCE CE which has shown to be incorrect. Even back in the middle ages it was determined that Christ was born somewhere between 3 BCE & 13 BCE. If one accepts Matthew's story of the Magi, than Christ would have to have been born prior to 6 BCE since that is the date of Herod's death. Just to say that Christ was born the same year that places the Crucifixion no later than 27 CE.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 63 of 327 (506911)
04-30-2009 9:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 50 by Peg
04-30-2009 7:44 AM
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he was actually born Sept/Oct 2BCE Reference Please.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 108 of 327 (507153)
05-02-2009 9:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 103 by Peg
05-02-2009 3:17 AM
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Herod the Great
Tiberius's rule began in the year 14AD so the 15th year of Tiberius was 29CE. This was the year that John the Baptizer began his work and when Jesus came to be baptized. If that is so then the Magi story is wrong since according to the link below Herod died in 4 BCE.
Error 404 - Livius So if Christ was 33.5 years old in 33 CE Herod could not have sent the Magi to Bethlehem to give their gifts to the newborn nor would Herod have had to kill all male children 2 years of age or younger.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 120 of 327 (507257)
05-03-2009 7:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 113 by Peg
05-03-2009 2:39 AM
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Re: Herod the Great
Your link says: Herod was brought back to Jerusalem by two legions, VI Ferrata (whose men had already fought in Gaul and the civil wars) and another legion, perhaps III Gallica (37 BCE). Antigonus was defeated and after he had besieged and captured Jerusalem, and had defeated the last opposition (more), Herod could start his reign as sole ruler of Judaea. He assumed the title of basileus, the highest possible title. If you agree that Herod became the sole ruler of Judaea in 37bce, you might be interested to know that the Jewish historian Josephus reports that Herod died 37 years after his appointment by Rome and 34 years after his capture of Jerusalem. If those years are counted in each case according to the regnal year (meaning after a full 12 months), his death could have been in 1 BCE. You just proved my point that the dates are all speculative, and cannot be trusted no matter what the source. The fact that all these witings occured long after the fact further dilutes their credibility.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 124 of 327 (507262)
05-03-2009 7:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 122 by Peg
05-03-2009 7:48 AM
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Re: Herod the Great
this is why i trust the bible more then i trust secular sources. The bible writers on the other hand, relayed facts under Gods direction and therefore I find no reason to doubt the bibles historical accuracy. That is just subjective reasoning on your part. I find no such direction.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Re: Isaiah 53 - Verse 1 and 2
This prophecy was very unexpected for the future King of Israel (which is what Messiah was prophecied to be). Messiah would have a humble beginning, not a regal one. Jesus fulfilled this prophecy. Yes, according to works written years after his death.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 214 of 327 (507896)
05-08-2009 4:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 209 by jaywill
05-08-2009 3:09 PM
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Re: The confidence trick of prophecy
jaywill writes: What would you accept as evidence of a prophecy being fulfilled? Some solid evidence from some other source than the Bible.
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 221 of 327 (507964)
05-09-2009 9:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 220 by Peg
05-09-2009 8:28 AM
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Re: Destruction of Jerusalem 70CE prophecy
peg writes: Luke wrote his gospel, then later wrote another account about the early church, The book of Acts. No evidence that Luke wrote Luke or Acts. And again you are proving nothing by using the Bible to prove itself.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 234 of 327 (508056)
05-10-2009 9:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 231 by Peg
05-10-2009 2:59 AM
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Re: Destruction of Jerusalem 70CE prophecy
My point is there is no corroborating evidence. The only evidence is Biblical writing.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 251 of 327 (508082)
05-10-2009 1:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 238 by jaywill
05-10-2009 10:39 AM
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Re: Destruction of Jerusalem 70CE prophecy
I have also see quite a bit of resistence to extra-biblical testimonial that Jesus was extraordinary and lived. Popular is the excuse that such historical testimonial was forged by Christians. The point is what I am looking for is non-christian evidence ie the decree from Augustus that sent everyone back to the ancestral home to register that is dated and found to be from the actual era ~5 to 8 BCE.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 252 of 327 (508083)
05-10-2009 1:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 246 by jaywill
05-10-2009 11:08 AM
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Re: Destruction of Jerusalem 70CE prophecy
I could be wrong. I think moderation is lenient when it comes to placing postings here which more appropriately seem suited to other rooms. Case in point - you harping of extra biblical evidence on fulfilled prophecy. The Tile of the topic is
Fulfillments of Bible Prophecy So where else would one ask for evidence to such. If you are going to say that the prophesy has been fulfilled, than this is why we ask for substanciating evidence.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Re: Destruction of Jerusalem 70CE prophecy
Richard Townsend writes: I'm still looking for a prophecy that - was made explicitly, ie does not need 'interpretation' for us to know what it means - is specific enough to be an 'unlikely' prediction and one whose fulfillment would be clearly detectable. - is guaranteed to have been written before the prophesied event took place - is proven to have been fulfilled by material outside the bible - is not potentially self-fulfilling Funny, I've been trying to find that for years. Still no-one has produced such.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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