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Author Topic:   Fulfillments of Bible Prophecy
purpledawn
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Message 319 of 327 (508440)
05-13-2009 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 318 by jaywill
05-13-2009 10:08 AM


Re: Destruction of Jerusalem 70CE prophecy
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On one hand I see critics complain that the Bible's God is uncaring, unloving, harsh, and eager to punish people. Then on the other hand I see these same critics complain that there was a DELAY in all the details of the coming about of a prediction.
Critic's complaints aren't a part of the equation. Either the prophecy was fulfilled as spoken in the timeframe specified or it didn't. When prophecies don't come to fruition as specified and in the timeframe specified, the the message is not from God. That's God's rule, not mine.
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Can you have it both ways? How about in the prophesy God has the flexibility to mercifully allow more time for more people to come to repentence?
Irrelevant. Again your argument is a God that changes his mind without notice, which means we can't trust what he supposedly said. He could change his mind and call the whole thing off. He may have already. We'll never know.
Calamities happen no matter what mankind does.

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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purpledawn
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Message 324 of 327 (508463)
05-13-2009 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 321 by jaywill
05-13-2009 4:34 PM


Re: Destruction of Jerusalem 70CE prophecy
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What timeframe specified ?
Sometimes you get that such and such is to occur in the future. Often the only timeframe is the future.
We aren't talking about prophecy in general. See Message 279 and Message 287. We've been talking about a specific NT prophecy supposedly concerning the destruction of the temple. The show stopper on that prophecy is the following statement supposedly made by Jesus.
Mark 13:30
I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
As I said before, the statement concerns the generation the disciples could see in front of them, so to speak.
So the prophecy has a time limit.
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You're mad because He is not a machine ? Extending the time does not have to indicate a change of mind. It may indicate mercy in some instances. The timeframe is often - simply the future.
I'm not the one who has a problem with saying that all was not fulfilled in that prophecy within the timeframe alotted. We can make up any amount of possible excuses for why it didn't. What good is that?
Bottomline: The straightforward plain text doesn't refer to the future or anything other than the generation at the time of the destruction. You haven't shown me otherwise.

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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