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Author Topic:   One small step for science...maybe?
Meldinoor
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Message 16 of 29 (509110)
05-18-2009 6:25 PM


Truth
For those of us who believe truth can be found only through objective seeking, the removal of ideology from science is a triumph! There are those out there (ie. the Creation Institute) who believe that reasoning and scientific findings are subject to their predefined "truth", and who labor to distort facts to fit their worldview and to quiet the evidence that goes against their beliefs.
It's tyranny in a box

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Meldinoor
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Message 18 of 29 (509203)
05-19-2009 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by jaywill
05-19-2009 11:40 AM


Re: Truth
How do you use the scientific method to prove that truth can be known only through the scientific method ?
What experiment would you propose to prove that truth can only be known via the scientific method ?
You misunderstand. I said nothing about the scientific method. I am merely pointing out that without an objective mind you're not going to learn anything, you're just going to hold fast to your old beliefs. One thing I like to say to other Christians who disagree with this statement is:
If you were born a Hindu, and you kept a closed mind, you'd still be a Hindu. You'd never have become a Christian.

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Meldinoor
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Message 29 of 29 (509247)
05-19-2009 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by jaywill
05-19-2009 2:49 PM


Re: Truth
And being willing to go where ever the evidence points is a sign of a truly opened mind.
That's exactly what science is about. Individual scientists may toy with the evidence to make it say things they want it to (like Kent Hovind, although I prefer not to refer to him as a "scientist").
This thread is about removing ideologies from science, specifically theology which removes plenty of assumptions, like "we didn't evolve", "natural processes cannot create information" etc. etc.
Even if there are many "assumptions" remaining, I don't see how you can protest the removal of presuppositions per your previous post.
Sometimes I do not see that. I see people who would rather die than admit evidence points to intelligence in nature.
You may be about to do it yourself.
There is plenty of intelligence in nature. Chimpanzees catching termites with sticks, for instance.

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