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Message 191 of 352 (506577)
04-27-2009 4:50 PM

Reply to: Message 190 by traderdrew
04-27-2009 4:48 PM

Re: Trade Off

Does your computer need more memory? Is the screen to small?

Terrible analogy, my computer was not designed by an all knowing entity.

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Message 197 of 352 (506598)
04-27-2009 7:14 PM

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04-27-2009 7:04 PM

Re: Trade Off

I do not belong to an organized political party, I am a Democrat.
I do not have a religion
and I do not use Macs.(except when I volunteer at the school)

Seems that schools are one of the few places in the world where you can find a network of Macs.

BTW, I thought Mac users thought that their computers WERE designed by an all knowing entity.

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Message 199 of 352 (506688)
04-28-2009 11:16 AM

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04-28-2009 10:33 AM

Re: Your Computer

Your attempt to make you analogy work is just getting lamer and lamer. I do not think this is helping your case at all.

So you believe that this all powerful being made things all "just fine"?

Damn your world just kind of sucks don't it.

In my world things change and adapt in order to be more successful. In a sense "better".

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Message 318 of 352 (509204)
05-19-2009 11:53 AM

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05-19-2009 11:36 AM

Re: Look Who's Grasping at Straws

I realize that the issue I bring up should actually be in the Does intelligent design have creationist roots?, but your comments say volumes.

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Perhaps God doesn't mind having some of his design appearing as inept in the eyes of some people. I think it is ironic that you refer to the creator as tiny. Perhaps you will tell the creator that when you meet him one day.

ID proponents continue to say that they are not advocating creationism, but in all conversations IDers go back to their god and their mythical creator. Then there are people like traderdrew, who from his comments seems to be a creationist. I have to say I have much more respect for creationists than ID'ers. Both are willfully ignorant, but at least creationists have the strength of conviction to some extent.

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If you want to read Hosea 4:6 and the rest of Hosea 4, it may give you some insights into why this is the case but then again...

Again not even pretending that ID is not religious and christian.

The thread is Why is the Intelligent Designer so inept?, but we have no pretending that there is an Intelligent Designer, just affirmation that there is a supernatural creator, a God.

So does anyone were actually believe in ID? Or is everyone that advocates ID really a creationist ins sheeps clothing? Because if that is true there is no reason to continue this thread. Treaderdrew is obviously not an IDer. Is anyone?

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Message 320 of 352 (509222)
05-19-2009 12:53 PM

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05-19-2009 12:01 PM

Re: Look Who's Grasping at Straws

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I will ignore your little shots at me

Little shots?? I wasn't making shots. I was just stating what you have been saying in the thread.

So you are an IDer? You obviously don't believe in evolution. Or do you?

Also, you are wrong in this.

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Creationists believe in a earth that was created thousands of years ago.

This is what young earth creationists believe. There are also old world creationists.

Here are some good descriptions from Wikipedia(not definitive but it does give a good overall feel for the subject matter).
Old Earth Creationism

Old Earth creationism (OEC) is an umbrella term for a number of types of creationism, including Gap creationism and Progressive creationism. As hypotheses of origins they are typically more compatible with mainstream scientific thought on the issues of geology, cosmology and the age of the Earth, in comparison to Young Earth creationism; however, they still generally take the accounts of creation in Genesis more literally than theistic evolution (also known as evolutionary creationism) in that OEC rejects the scientific consensus accepting evolution.

Young Earth Creationism

Young Earth creationism (YEC) is the religious belief that the Heavens, Earth, and life on Earth were created by direct acts of God during a short period, sometime between 6,000[1] and 10,000 years ago. Its adherents are those Christians and Jews[2] who believe that God created the Earth in six 24-hour days, taking the Hebrew text of Genesis as a literal account.[1][3] Some adherents believe that existing evidence in the natural world today supports a strict interpretation of scriptural creation as historical fact. Those adherents believe that the scientific evidence supporting evolution, geological uniformitarianism, or other theories which are at odds with a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account, are either flawed or misinterpreted.[4]

So are you old world? The reason for my interest is that as I stated earlier the name of the thread is "Why is the Intelligent Designer so inept?", but you keep on bringing up your god and this mythical creator, so it seems you are a creationist. Therefore, you are not arguing the OP at all you are arguing for a creator not a designer.

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Message 330 of 352 (509270)
05-19-2009 10:48 PM

Reply to: Message 329 by Taq
05-19-2009 10:35 PM

Re: On the Topic

As I stated in Message 319, we have no one arguing at all from the ID position. Drew has not specifically said his beliefs, but all his comments are peppered with the term creator. He denies being a creationist, but I tend to think he is an OEC. I guess it is best this thread is almost over since we can not seem to get a true IDer to debate the topic.

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