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judge
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Message 35 of 82 (50701)
08-16-2003 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dave901
07-21-2003 12:46 AM


aramaic holds the key
There is one word mistranslated in our english bibles which explains this apparent contradiction.
In matthew 1:16 it should read joseph the father of mary.
Both Mary's father and husband were called joseph.
The two men are differentiated in the aramaic version of Matthew.
Both words gowra for father and baala for husband were translated from aramaic to greek as "aner".
this also means we have 42 (3X14) generations as well.

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judge
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Message 39 of 82 (50755)
08-17-2003 3:49 AM
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08-16-2003 9:05 AM


Re: aramaic holds the key
Hi Brian,
You can find an aramaic/english interlinear here
Peshitta Aramaic/English Interlinear New Testament
You can find a translation here which is not wqord for word but rather "dynamic equivalence"
V-a.com
You can find the peshitto here
http://www.peshitta.com
the peshitta is the original it is used in the liturgy of the COE
The peshitto is an edited peshitta. It was edited to bring it more into line with monophysitic views.
p.s. there is another old thread here which deals specifically with matthew versus lukes geneologies.
I could not find it but if you can it would be worth looking at
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judge
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Message 40 of 82 (50756)
08-17-2003 3:57 AM
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08-16-2003 10:53 AM


The other geneology thread
Can be found here
http://EvC Forum: Luke and Matthews geneologies -->EvC Forum: Luke and Matthews geneologies
added in edit...
Brian you may enjoy this also..
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judge
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Message 43 of 82 (50803)
08-18-2003 2:55 AM
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08-17-2003 9:44 PM


Re: Lineage of Jesus
Hi phil,
See here....
EvC Forum: Luke and Matthews geneologies
Mary's father was called joseph also. This was mistranslated into greek and then into english.
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judge
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Message 46 of 82 (50950)
08-18-2003 11:00 PM
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08-18-2003 5:22 PM


Re: Lineage of Jesus
Dave:
Are you implying Mary was Jesus’ mother genetically? I’ve always thought (maybe assumed) that Jesus was planted in Mary without any of Mary’s genes. If that is the case did Jesus have genes? If so who’s genes did he get? If God is his father, would he have God’s genes? Does God have genes? I wouldn’t think so.
Judge:
Yes Mary was Jesus's mother genetically. Think of our bodies as clothes. Jesus appeared in earthly attire.

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judge
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Message 47 of 82 (50951)
08-18-2003 11:01 PM
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08-18-2003 5:55 PM


Re: Lineage of Jesus
Judge:
Mary's father was called joseph also. This was mistranslated into greek and then into english."
Phil:
That may very well be. Either way, the genealogy in Luke is through Mary, and not Joseph, Jesus' "father."
Judge:
Hmmmm...are you sure you have this right? The geneaology in Luke ids that of Joseph husband of Mary

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judge
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Message 49 of 82 (50968)
08-19-2003 1:04 AM
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08-19-2003 12:10 AM


Re: Lineage of Jesus
Phil:
Well, I am claiming that it is not through Joseph, but through Mary.
judge:
Can you explain how?

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