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Message 1 of 118 (509599)
05-22-2009 5:42 PM


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The standard translation from the bibles of 66 books has brought up many contradictions

the original text says 'forehead',

The head of every man is Yhvh'óshua
[The Word that became flesh],
a woman's head is her spouse,
but Yahveh--I AM is the head of the living Word [that a woman comes to recite or prophesy].

Every woman who comes to recite or prophesy the word of I AM with her forehead uncovered disgraces the ornament of her own head, for that is even all one and the same as if her head were shaved.

If a woman will not cover her forehead, then let her hair be shorn also [in like manner].
But since it is not decent for a woman to have her hair shorn or shaved, let her wear the forehead covering as a war helmet so that she might stand before man equal to equal when using the weapon of the word in the wars of Yahveh. For such as man is semblance of a glory made for Yahveh, likewise a woman, without her forehead covered, is also semblance of a glory made for man.

Also man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was the first man formed for woman, but
the first woman was formed for man. For this reason [when prophesying or reciting the Word of I AM]
ought the woman to clothe her forehead with a Sign of Power of Yahveh, because [of the authority of the Word she recites] it is over angels.

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Message 3 of 118 (509872)
05-25-2009 5:11 PM
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What has this to do with the creation/evolution debate?

The thread exposes that the versions of the bible are different from the texts as originally written.

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Message 5 of 118 (510002)
05-26-2009 4:17 PM
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It is about a List of contradictions in the bible translation,

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Message 7 of 118 (512641)
06-19-2009 4:02 PM


Ephesians *:**,
Submitting yourselves [spontaneously] to one another,
let that submission be in the love for Elyon [The One that Declares],

Ephesians *:**,
Wives,
submit yourselves [spontaneously] to your husbands in fidelity [aemunah] to Yhvh,
because the husband being the head of the wife,
Yhvh's Word is the Salvation of her head,
and Yhvh in person is the Savior of her entire body also.

Ephesians *:**,
And as the gatherings of people are under the authority of YHVH's Word -- [Yhvh'óshua],
so let the wives be under that same authority also before their husbands in all things.

Weymouth NT -- 'And just as the church submits to christ …women should be entirely submissive to their husbands.'

Is not Weymouth's believed translation saying that a woman's submission should also be spiritual before a spirit of man, which is the same as one paying spiritual reverence unto men's words?

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Message 8 of 118 (512645)
06-19-2009 4:31 PM



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The Italian Bible La Parola è Vita
uses the Ancient Roman word 'testa' (forehead) in 1 Corintios,

La Parola è Vita, www.biblegateway.com

Sample of 1 Corinzi ** (La Parola è Vita)

* L'uomo, invece, non deve coprirsi la testa (forehead), perché è l'immagine e la gloria di D--; mentre la donna è la gloria dell'uomo.

* Infatti, non è l'uomo che è stato tratto dalla donna, ma la donna [dal costato] dall'uomo.

* E l'uomo non fu creato per la donna, ma la donna fu creata per lui.

** Giudicate voi stessi. Secondo voi, sta bene che una donna preghi a D-- a testa (forehead) scoperta?

** La natura stessa vi insegna che non sta bene che un uomo porti i capelli lunghi,

** mentre invece una donna è onorata quando ha una capigliatura lunga, che le serve da velo.

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The word anteriore (that which comes before)
is implying that in Roman Language both words 'testa' and 'frónte' meant the part that comes before the hair.

http://it.wiktionary.org/wiki/testa -- Wikizionario, Italiano

testa

1. capo
2. parte anteriore -- (the initial part = that which comes before)

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http://www.dizionario-italiano.it,

frónte ['fronte]
s.f., s.m.

1. parte della testa
2. la parte anteriore di varie cose

in Portuguese 'testa' was retained as the word for 'forehead'.

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Message 10 of 118 (532661)
10-25-2009 11:31 AM


Operation of law Vs Works of the law
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translations from Roman Language,

the term le opere della legge
has the meaning of the operating of the law,

Noi, di nascita Giudei e non peccatori fra i gentili,
sapendo che l'uomo non è giustificato per le opere della legge
ma per mezzo della fede in Gesú Cristo, abbiamo creduto anche noi in Cristo Gesú,
affinché fossimo giustificati mediante la fede di Cristo e non mediante le opere della legge, poiché nessuna carne sarà giustificata per mezzo della legge.

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We, who are Hebrews by nature, [become] sinners not [because of being] among the nations,
knowing that a man is not justified through the operating of the law
but by the emunah--fidelity to Yhwh, as we also have heard from the living Word
that it is through one's emunah--fidelity to Yhwh, and not by the operating of the law, that one is justified;
because no flesh shall be justified by imposition of law.

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Message 11 of 118 (535191)
11-13-2009 3:21 PM


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Hebrew Bibles were copied without the seven consonants

יהוהושע

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Message 14 of 118 (537208)
11-27-2009 3:14 PM


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Fidelitate - Ancient Roman Language
Fidelità - Italian
Fidelitas - Medieval Latin

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Message 16 of 118 (539533)
12-16-2009 3:20 PM
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Re: Please Clarify
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There are evidences that the translations from a book of 66 books are sophisticated copies of the Catholic bible since all books of the new testament have been carrying precisely the same mistranslations and contradictions which proceeded from the one mastercopy which belongs to the doctrine of the State of Vatican and the Mother church

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Message 26 of 118 (545817)
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Leave out the atrium of the court which is outside of the Temple
and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations.

The atrium of the court is every extension of scripture in the Ancient and New testament that does not refer to the Temple of I AM and is neither related to the altar and the procedure for one to offer a lamb.

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Message 28 of 118 (546259)
02-09-2010 3:18 PM
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All these manuscripts and their copies have been locked by the same keys

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Message 50 of 118 (546482)
02-11-2010 8:02 AM
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THE THIRD SYNCHRONIZED KEY –– using bible to prove the bible
how can you use the bible to prove the bible?

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In order to see the Scriptures as originally written
you have the option of doing this: use the synchronized keys to revert the changes.

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אמנהEmunah – Fidelitate in Ancient Roman Language

Do not omit the sureness, which is worth a great recompense, for patience is necessary for you; that, being the purpose of JHVH, you may shelter the promissory [first sparks of the Spirit] of JHVH. For yet a little and a very little while, and the One that is to come, will come, and will not delay. It is because of his אמנהfidelity to JHVH that my righteous one shall live, and if he withdraw himself, he shall not please my soul. But we are not the children of withdrawing unto perdition, but of fidelity to the permanence of the soul.

Now [by] אמנהfidelity is [manifest] the substance of things [of the word] which one remains in, and the evidence of things that appear not.

[*Darby Bible T.: substantiating of things]

For by this [constant fidelity to JHVH’s word] the ancients obtained a pleasant testimony. By אמנהemunah (fidelity) we understand that the world was framed by the word of יהוה JHVH that from invisible things visible things might be made. For [his] fidelitate Abel offered to JHVH a sacrifice exceeding that of Cain, by which he obtained a testimony that he was just, JHVH giving testimony to his gifts - and by it he being dead yet speaks.

For his אמנהfidelitate E’noch was translated, that he should not see death - and he was not found, because JHVH had translated him: for before his translation he had testimony that he pleased JHVH. For it is not possible to please without the fidelity which one must manifest so that he might approach near, ascertain that the light is present, and is gracious to them that will remain in the light.

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All things are possible to him that does them for Fidelity to יהוה

Quae creditur – …is possible to him that has fides (spiritual credit that is credited by the spirit of man)

If you have אמנהEmunah--Fidelity to יהוה as a grain of mustard seed, you can say to this sycamore-tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea’ and instantly it will obey you.

(Word אמנהEmunah is present in the New Testament in Hebrew)

By Fidelity is [manifest] the substance of things [of the word] which one remains in,

A true Substance, ISAAC, was [manifest] by Abraham’s fidelity (complete constancy) to I AM

Also, by fidelity is [manifest] the evidence of things not seen, [that from invisible things]

A true Evidence of something not seen, become made visible, the lamb to die in the place of his son.

אמנהFidelity comes by hearing, and hearing the eternal words of I AM יהוה only.
Quae creditur – …fides (that is credited/believed) comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of [the] god…

Through a testimony of fidelity is [manifest] the accomplishment [completeness; evidence] of things that appear not: that from the invisible word that is heard, visible things might be made. If one has אמנהAemunah--fidelity as small as a grain of mustard seed, walks not by sight, doing the good works not through a system that is in the sight [or supervision] of meddlers of the spiritual area, spiritual fathers, reverends, false prophet (theology), ministers, pastors, mercenaries of religion and doctrines.

Just as there is no bird bill that can grab the smallest seed: the grain of mustard seed, even so fidelity is evidence of things not seen, if walking not by sight, one does the good works spontaneously and unexpectedly, for love only; not putting him—herself in subjection under the sight [or supervision] of human ministrations of law.

Fidelitate - Ancient Roman Language
Fidelità - Italian
Fidelitas - Medieval Latin

Parable of the Road –– The light is with you in a brief time. Walk on the road in the time you have the light so that darkness doesn’t overtake you. He that walks in the obscurity, credits a light, believing [there is] a road but doesn’t know where he’s going. In the [immediate] time you have the light, see the road in the light so that you may become a first-fruit of light.

Brief time: Immediate time; A sequence of time that is abbreviated.
Access in a brief or Immediate sequence; a dividing of time.
...believing [there is] a road –– Synonym: Not seeing the road.
Bible in Basic English -- ...one walking in the dark has no knowledge of where he is going.
Quae creditur – …walks in darkness (in lack of belief) knows not where he goes.
And If you feel that you can’t go on [a system of] ‘Just believe’
and you know that you can’t go wrong, in the Light you’ll find the road.

Parable of the Trail –– Is there not a half day of daylight? A man may go about a half day without falling because he sees the trail in the light. But if a man goes about in the obscure, believing [there is] a trail, he may have a fall because the daylight does not depend on his will of believing.

Half day, Immediate time; A Mediated sequence of time that is a dividing of time.
...believing [there is] a trail –– Synonym: Not seeing the trail.
Bible in Basic English -- ...he may have a fall because the light is not in him.
Quae creditur – …because there is no light [of belief] in him.

– Can you see now with your eyes he that is first-fruit of I AM?
– Who is he that I might see him?
– You have seen him already, in a certain way, and he is the one speaking to you now.
– Yes I did.
– I AM come into this world for eternal Justice, in order that those who do not see might see, and those who believe that they see might keep on choosing to be blind.

Then the religious ones asked,

– Are we blind too?
– If you admitted you are not seeing you would not be transgressing, but because you say: ‘Believing, we see!’, that is where your transgression begins.

Previously,

The apostles asked, Who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? -- I AM WHO SAVES said, Neither has this man sinned, nor his parents, but that seeing not what is appearence he should see first the glory of splendor in the light of the name of יהוהI AM.
In the times that I AM in the earth, יהוהI AM the Light that makes the clay of the earth to glisten! –– Go and wash in the pool of Si-lo'am.

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Message 59 of 118 (546571)
02-11-2010 3:33 PM


Non-existence of consecrated unions and incest in the Law of the Hebrews
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1st -- Does a church have authority in matters to the Spirit to consecrate or declare the union between man and woman as a sacred union of their spirits?

According to the Law given to the children of Israel,
- Man and woman can not become one in matters to the Spirit,
- no church or instituted thing is given authority from above to declare the union of their spirit,
- sacred conjuration through the instituted thing; religion and doctrines, is abomination, whether it is called matrimony or not,

because according to the Scriptures man and woman ought not to put their spirit under subjection to that type of adjured consecration;

Man and woman only become one in matters to the flesh, not in matters to the Spirit,
as it is said in the first letter to the gatherings of people of Corinto--Greece:

For it is said, 'The two will become one flesh. But the person who unites himself with Jehaveh becomes one spirit.'

In order to keep themselves Separate [Set apart] from being participants with the image or abomination of consecrating their spirit to each other,

- man and woman ought not to adjure or consecrate themselves to each other through the use of churches, reverends, fathers, pastors or ministers.

Eternal instruction clears up that his or her spirit ought to be submissive only and uniquely to the One that said: I AM that life and that resurrection.

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2nd -- Is the union between siblings incest?

Their union is not against the Law given to the children of Yisrael.
in the same perspective that the union of Adam and Eve becoming one flesh,
and the union between their son and daughter were not against the true Law.

Scripture speaks about mutual respect in the words 'you shall not uncover her', giving the understanding that the fact of being her brother does not give him any right or power over her.

Absence of the theory of incest might be seen in the second book of Samuel, in the words Tamar said to her brother: '....go and make your request to the king, for he will not keep me from you.' (2 Samuel **:**)

When transcribing the bibles, the Scribes of the religious ones have been placing this subject in the row of illicit unions;

What's the interest of those Scribes in doing that;
Union between a brother and his sister profits nothing to those that have marriage as a business, as the living Word said:

'they were selling and buying: marrying and giving in marriage until the day Noah entered in the Ark'

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Is the union between two women, siblings or not, against the Law given to the Hebrews?

That is not against the Law given to the children of Yisrael.

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Message 60 of 118 (547355)
02-18-2010 3:54 PM
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02-11-2010 8:21 AM


Verifying the lock of the new testament with a Reversed 4th Key
greyseal wrote:

start at the beginning. I don't know what a synchronized key is....

What’s a fourth key – The term Fourth Synchronized key, in this case, is being used for a real evidence of the sign of the lamb. A reversed 4th key is evidence that the sign of the lamb has been eclipsed and kept hidden by the presence of another mark: the Roman cross, that is the exact contrary of what the sign of the lamb is.

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When reading scripture from the usual copies, what facts did actually take place; Did Pilate have the Lamb scourged? Of course not. It would be against both laws. If anyone will be willing to bet his life that it could have happened, strong with him the faith is.

I. According to the laws of the Roman Empire no one was tortured through such interrogation method unless he lacked in regards to the Truth. – II. Pilate did not preside at a trial nor had the Lamb indicted either; The fact of him asking the questions he asked in no way indicates that Pilate would have accepted any charge against the Lamb. – III. A falseness in the story of a Iesus exchanging place with Ba-rab’bas becomes evident if one sees, in the light, that the Lamb was not Pilate’s prisoner nor was he under the custody of the chief priests either.

Sample of Acts of Pilate – Hebrew Names Edition: Pilate called the messenger and said unto him: Let Jehaveh’óshua be brought hitter, but with gentleness.

Pilate listened to his wife who said to him Have thou nothing to do with the cause of that righteous one – And these words retain the same meaning of Have thou and the laws of the Romans nothing to do with the manner that the Lamb is offered to die.

IV. If you are on command, in real life, and you say There is no basis for a charge against him but then you see people around you talking about accomplishment of a Law extremely fixed in the words: ONE LAW SHALL BE TO HIM WHO IS BORN AT HOME, AND TO THE STRANGER WHO LIVES AS A FOREIGNER AMONG YOU, and you hear a demand from a high priest:

We have a Law, and he shall be suspended according to our Law (his hands gathered and tied above his head) because he made himself the SANCTIFIED ONE OF YISRAEL.

Quae creditur mastercopy: ‘…We have a Law, and, according to our Law, he ought to die…’

you’re not being requested for a Roman method of execution. Book of John clears up: When Pilate heard this statement, he feared even more.

Book of Luke completes: he determined that it had to be as they demanded.

Gathering both rows is seeing that Pilate did not impose nor allow condemnation by the laws of the Romans or of the Roman cross. As a matter of fact when one finally faces up to true realm, then every crucifix is obsolete.

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quote:
FOUR SYNCHRONIZED KEYS
Proof of the Scripture being self-evident –– evidence for herself
Even when true scripture is hidden and eclipsed by translations made by the Scribes, there will always be both sides of a synchronized key being left for one to trail and identify which words were actually spoken and what facts had indeed occurred. They are named Synchronized because their poles apart or opposite sides are simultaneous in the entire Scripture. A sample of their poles being simultaneously apart or opposite to each other is found in the twenty-seven books of the New Testament and in two books of The New Testament Apocryphal: The Thomas Gospel and The Acts of Pilate.
So the meaning: All these manuscripts and their copies have been locked by the same keys, as it was quoted before: The Scribes took the keys of the door of Scripture and hid them; nor did they enter, and those who desired to enter, they permitted them not. You, however, be precautious with serpents and innocent with doves!

1st Key – The word אל EL abbreviation of ELYON (THE ONE THAT DECLARES) being replaced by the precise opposite: a camel’s name; the generic term god or elohim (gods).

2nd Key – Hebrew name יהוהושעJEHAVEH’ÓSHUA (I AM IS THE SALVATION), a name of I AM being substituted by something else: not the eternal name by which the apostles called the Lamb, nor was it even a name when Pilate wrote on the plaque Id Est SVS (suspended) Nazarenus Rex Judaiórum – and a name of I AM was substituted with a man’s name: Iesus Kristus, where three sequential sixes are found twice.

3rd Key – Hebrew word אמנהEMUNAH (Fidelity to YHVH’s Word only) being substituted by the exact contrary: Fides quae creditur (belief that is credited by the spirit of man); that which takes a word from the spirit of man whenever one declares, by believing, what the truth is, without knowing or verifying the Truth that only can be retained by hearing the eternal Words. Reversed mode of this key exterminates fides quae creditur.

4th Key – The sign of the lamb [the palms of both hands gathered and pressed to one another] the maximum approach between both hands, being replaced by the precise opposite: the sign of the beast that is the maximum distance between both hands; the sign of the Roman cross.


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Message 61 of 118 (547471)
02-19-2010 3:30 PM
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Camel's name: Generic term god and elohim (gods)
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greyseal wrote

....what a camel has to do with elohim

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According to the righteousness of the Scribes who made copies of the scriptures and translated the Ancient Testament to you,

there is nothing more righteous than using the same Generic term 'god' to refer to the images and at the same time to refer to the Eternal.

Who has first sanctified the Generic term god?

what causes the Generic term elohim--god(s) to be the name of a Camel being swallowed by the Scribes of Yudaism, and of religion and doctrines of faiths is the fact that ELYON did not sanctify the generic term god and elohim (gods).

אל EL abbreviation of ELYON

Jehaveh'óshua––I AM IS THE SALVATION said: The Scribes took the keys of the door of Scripture and hid them; nor did they enter, and those who desired to enter, they permitted them not. You, however, be precautious with serpents and innocent with doves! –– (The Tomah Gospel Paraphrased).

To be precautious with serpents or being prudent as with serpents is not acting hastely but seeing first that the scripture they translate have been substituting EL אל (abbreviation of ELYON––which means THE ONE THAT DECLARES) with both generic terms god and elohim––a common generic designation for deities in the Middle east.

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