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traste
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Message 271 of 415 (510039)
05-27-2009 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by Wounded King
03-30-2009 11:58 AM


Re: Re; Pasteur showed that. life came from life
wounded writes:
I don't think you should, I think you are doing that
Frankly Im not performing any experiment.hahahahahaha.You missed.
wounded writes:
If the abiogenetic theory in question was based around life arising in 'sterelized water protected from contamination' then you would have made a cogent point, as none of them are you are making an unsupportable conflation between the form of spontaneous generation Pasteur's experiments addressed and naturalistic theories of origins
Then according,to abiogenesis where did life come from?. There are many new forms spontaneous genaration in the past and many new forms in the future are yet coming,in other words abiogenesis is just a mask of spontaneous genaration.In fact texbooks discussed that organism react spontaneously,theres no utterance of abiogenesis reaction there.
wounded writes:
The only basis for this conflation is the semantic overlap where the word abiogenesis has been used both to describe spontaneous generation and modern naturalistic theories of the origin of life. Without making an actual argument showing that these two precepts are identical in more than sharing a name or by showing how Pasteur's experiments have anything to do with modern scientific studies of abiogenesis (in terms of naturalistic theories of life's origins) u are simply making a bald assertion with absolutely no supporting evidenceyo
There is no semantic overlaping in my post,the real issue here Wounded king is you and your co supporters of evolution are making bold efforts to separate abiogenesis from spontaneous genaration,due to the reason well known to them and to you.In general what does abiogenesis holds? And in general what does spontaneous genaration holds? Are they not holding that life is came from non life? Therefore,what is the difference.?The technical terms being used,I think. You write (u are simply making a bald assertion with absolutely no supporting evidenceyo) in fairness has science produced intermidiate forms of organism through Darwinian process? As in my part I often present scientific experiment that has been proven but you and your co supporters keep on rejecting due the reason well known to you.
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Message 272 of 415 (510041)
05-27-2009 2:53 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by traste
05-27-2009 2:01 AM


Please start using the forum's quotation codes
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traste
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Message 273 of 415 (510349)
05-30-2009 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Chiroptera
01-09-2004 8:15 PM


Re:hehehe
Chiroptera wrote:
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but the intermediate stages may be hard to classify as either "living" or "non-living
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My reply: Therefore the so called intermidiate forms between fish and amphibians are hard to classify as living things?.hahahaha
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Message 274 of 415 (510350)
05-30-2009 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by traste
05-30-2009 8:12 AM


Re: Re:hehehe
traste writes:
Therefore the so called intermidiate forms between fish and amphibians are hard to classify as living things?.hahahaha
That's not what he was saying. Of course those stages were living. But that's not what this thread is about.
Oh, use the quote features like AdminMoose showed you, please, it makes reading your posts so much easier.

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traste
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Message 275 of 415 (510354)
05-30-2009 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 274 by Huntard
05-30-2009 8:27 AM


Re: Re:hehehe
1.Is there anything else he or she was saying?. Or it was all.

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traste
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Message 276 of 415 (510356)
05-30-2009 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 274 by Huntard
05-30-2009 8:27 AM


Re: Re:hehehe
It's really boring today I need something laughable,like the reasoning of proponents of evolution.

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Message 277 of 415 (510360)
05-30-2009 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by traste
05-30-2009 8:41 AM


Take a break
Ok traste.
You are not posting anything meaningful. You are not paying attention to moderator requests to format your posts in a useful way.
You can have 24 hours to think about changing and showing that you are prepared to work at debating in good faith.

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traste
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Message 278 of 415 (513449)
06-28-2009 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by lyx2no
03-30-2009 5:07 PM


Re: You've Forced My Hand
lyx2no wrote:
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I am unable to respond because I am unable or unwilling to put in the effort to determine what "that thing" is.
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Forgetful nuts.
lyx2no wrote:
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Yes, it is. That is why it doesn't work as an analogy to anything anyone is saying. The first life was not a random event. Atoms and molecules won't join up in any ol' fashion as a box of auto parts will. O2 and 2H2s will with almost no encouragement form into 2H2O
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Are you serious? So you are now attacking the position of Dawkins?
And what do you think tha information is not persuasive to critics of evolution? For convinced Darwinist( like you) that information is enough.You have great faith,are you now one of the bishops of evolution?
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Message 279 of 415 (513457)
06-28-2009 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by traste
06-28-2009 8:44 PM


Since I was a Wee Bairn
I have lived that I may someday discover the gene responsible for hemorrhoids just so I could name it "Upyores". This was the thought of a child. I now know it only right and proper that I name it "traste"
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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
Thomas Jefferson

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traste
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Message 280 of 415 (513459)
06-28-2009 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by lyx2no
06-28-2009 10:05 PM


Re: Is lyx2 no the origin of the word idiot?
lyx20 writes:
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I have lived that I may someday discover the gene responsible for hemorrhoids just so I could name it "Upyores". This was the thought of a child. I now know it only right and proper that I name it "traste"
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You will recieve a nobel prize if you name it after yourself.(the connection is so slow).Back to the original question:Is lyx2o is the origin of the word idiot? My guess is yes.
" Only stupid people act like barbarians"
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traste
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Message 281 of 415 (513460)
06-28-2009 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by lyx2no
06-28-2009 10:05 PM


Re:hello!
lyx20 post
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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
Ridicule is the first argument of the fool.Just like you.
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Message 282 of 415 (513461)
06-28-2009 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by traste
06-28-2009 10:43 PM


Re: Re:hello!
This is a science forum. Assertions should be accompanied with evidence.
Ridicule is the first argument of the fool.Just like you.
Please provide evidence that lyx2no is a fool.
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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traste
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Message 283 of 415 (513463)
06-28-2009 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by Theodoric
06-28-2009 10:47 PM


Re: Re:hello!
Because he talk nonsense things.Why not ask, him or her to provide evidence for his assertions? You are higly bias!!!
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Message 284 of 415 (513464)
06-28-2009 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by Theodoric
06-28-2009 10:47 PM


Re: Re:hello!
He got you, Theodoric: hemorrhoids are environmental, not genetic, and you never called me on it
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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
Thomas Jefferson

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Peg
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Message 285 of 415 (513495)
06-29-2009 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by Dr Adequate
03-30-2009 10:41 AM


DrAedequate writes:
Because it is impossible to miraculously breath life into non-living things, since the necessary condition for life is a set of chemical interactions, not miracle breath.
yet that fish would still have all the chemicals needed for life to exist
those chemicals, even when they are all together...even when they are in a perfectly formed body with all its necessary parts, do not produce life

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