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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Phat, to Taz writes: So Taz? Have your views changed any in the past year or two? I still maintain that there is no such thing as casual sex. Extreme intimacy leads to mental patterning. Hyro, commenting writes: I'm a little confused as to what exactly you mean. Are you saying that casual sex is impossible because it leads to "mental patterning" or that people are much more prone to it when they do have casual sex? Any time an event of deep emotion is shared, there is a form of a bond. Hostages, for example, understand each other for life once the shared experience bond them together. I suppose that casual sex could be unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but if so, it is nothing more than mutual masturbation...hardly a bonding experience. Once someone has had multiple and virtually anonymous partners, they have established a mental pattern and addiction that is difficult to break out of. Even if they claim to love someone special, the sexual intimacy is not nearly so deep as it would be had the person remained somewhat celibate prior to the relationship. (no I have no proof! sheesh!) My point is that repeated acts of casual sex numb and dull the sensors.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2973 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Any time an event of deep emotion is shared, there is a form of a bond. You should come on the road with me and hit up the dirtbag places I go to. The only bond made is the agreement to never speak of the event again.
I suppose that casual sex could be unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but if so, it is nothing more than mutual masturbation...hardly a bonding experience. It's humans at their most primitive. Our current society has established and attached all this emotional baggage to sex, as if sex were something more than the act of reproduction? It simply doesn't work that way. Sex is instinctual, it's primitive and it trumps love any day, since it evolved looooooong before love did.
Once someone has had multiple and virtually anonymous partners, they have established a mental pattern and addiction that is difficult to break out of. Do you have evidence for this, Phat? I mean personal evidence? I don't think you're speaking out of experience here. Multiple partners don't just equal some unbreakable mental pattern. I've had multiple sexual partners and can be in a monogamous relationship as well. Hell, I was married for 7 years and never was unfaithful. Sorry, but I think you are talking out of your ass, dude.
My point is that repeated acts of casual sex numb and dull the sensors. I can guarantee you that my "sensor" is not "numb". PS. Mutual Masterbation...totally awesome! But usually costs extra. - Oni Petition to Bailout Comedy The Laugh Factory is imploring Congress to immediately fund what owner Jamie Masada calls an "Economic Cheer-Up." If Congress fails to act quickly, the Laugh Factory comedians are planning to march to Washington and plea to President Obama.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2973 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
There's straight. There's straight identified who go after one guy one time. There's straight identified who are occasionally interested in d*#k so they hire transexuals - 99% of their clientelle are straight guys. Gay guys aren't interested in a woman with a penis. There's straight identified who occasionally want to be on the receiving end. There's bi identified who've only ever dated women. There's bi identified who will only hook up with guys during three ways. There's bi identified who split their time 50/50 There's gay identified who have a wife and kids. There's gay identified who are occasionally interested in very manly women. I think we can sum this up with "pick a hole and put something in it."
Human sexuality is at best a gray scale.
I think there is no set standard for human sexuality. What has been established are old ideological standards that are no longer relevant, since our society has expanded so much. There are no rules to human sexuality, do what makes you feel right and fuck what other people think. - Just my PoV. - Oni Petition to Bailout Comedy The Laugh Factory is imploring Congress to immediately fund what owner Jamie Masada calls an "Economic Cheer-Up." If Congress fails to act quickly, the Laugh Factory comedians are planning to march to Washington and plea to President Obama.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
What has been established are old ideological standards that are no longer relevant I really think the view that "that never happened in the old days" is a fallacy. I do not think there are any more gays, bi's or whatever now than there ever has been. There was never a more "moral" time. Certain people wnat us to bleieve this and want us to believe that there was a "moral golden age". Bullshit. There never was.
There are no rules to human sexuality, do what makes you feel right and fuck what other people think. - Just my PoV. I couldn't agree more. Took me one bad marriage and lots of women(maybe some other experimenting) to find what made me happy. Now I am in a glorious monogamous relationship with a woman that accepts me totally for who I am.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Nuggin writes:
You homophobic bastard. You left out all the gay identified who only go after other gay identified.
There's straight.There's straight identified who go after one guy one time. There's straight identified who are occasionally interested in d*#k so they hire transexuals - 99% of their clientelle are straight guys. Gay guys aren't interested in a woman with a penis. There's straight identified who occasionally want to be on the receiving end. There's bi identified who've only ever dated women. There's bi identified who will only hook up with guys during three ways. There's bi identified who split their time 50/50 There's gay identified who have a wife and kids. There's gay identified who are occasionally interested in very manly women.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
It's not gay/straight. It's not gay/bi/straight. It's a vast scope. It doesn't have to be...
There's straight. Right, we'll call that "Straight".
There's straight identified who go after one guy one time. There's straight identified who are occasionally interested in d*#k so they hire transexuals - 99% of their clientelle are straight guys. Gay guys aren't interested in a woman with a penis. There's straight identified who occasionally want to be on the receiving end. There's bi identified who've only ever dated women. There's bi identified who will only hook up with guys during three ways. There's bi identified who split their time 50/50 There's gay identified who have a wife and kids. There's gay identified who are occasionally interested in very manly women. and there's not-straight... We'll call that "Gay." So there ya go... Straight and Gay. * /me removes toungue from cheek
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onifre Member (Idle past 2973 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
So there ya go... Straight and Gay. Oh come on CS, where's your imagination? It's not that black and white anymore. Bi-sexual doesn't make you gay or straight, however, it does make strippers a lot more interesting. - Oni Petition to Bailout Comedy The Laugh Factory is imploring Congress to immediately fund what owner Jamie Masada calls an "Economic Cheer-Up." If Congress fails to act quickly, the Laugh Factory comedians are planning to march to Washington and plea to President Obama.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2973 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I really think the view that "that never happened in the old days" is a fallacy. I do not think there are any more gays, bi's or whatever now than there ever has been. There was never a more "moral" time. Certain people wnat us to bleieve this and want us to believe that there was a "moral golden age". Bullshit. There never was. I agree with this to some degree. You'd have to admit though, with the vast amount of internet porn sites these days, peoples curiosity and levels that they'll go to has gotten a lot more creative than what people 50 years ago were expossed to. I saw a dude getting reamed by a horse on Joe Rogans website. Unless you lived on a farm back then, that kinda shit wasn't available to you. But then again, I think there was a bit more of a sexual repression 50 years ago then today. I'd be curious to hear from those who lived in those times to see what they were expossed to.
I couldn't agree more. Took me one bad marriage and lots of women(maybe some other experimenting) to find what made me happy. Now I am in a glorious monogamous relationship with a woman that accepts me totally for who I am.
Congrats. That's hard to find these days. - Oni Petition to Bailout Comedy The Laugh Factory is imploring Congress to immediately fund what owner Jamie Masada calls an "Economic Cheer-Up." If Congress fails to act quickly, the Laugh Factory comedians are planning to march to Washington and plea to President Obama.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Oh come on CS, where's your imagination? It's not that black and white anymore. No, its white (striaght) and not-white (gay). There's just a whole grey scale of gayness going on
Bi-sexual doesn't make you gay or straight, however, it does make strippers a lot more interesting. Bi-sexual makes you not-straight. So then you're gay (logically). Paying a stripper to act gay doesn't make her gay if she's just doing it for the money.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2514 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
and there's not-straight... We'll call that "Gay." So there ya go... Straight and Gay. * /me removes toungue from cheek By those standards 75% of the women under 30 in American are "gay". Find me one who's NEVER kissed another girl?
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2514 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
No, its white (striaght) and not-white (gay). There's just a whole grey scale of gayness going on So, you're either white (from England or Norway) or black (from Italy or Africa) You're either tall (6'0" or above) or short (5'11" or below). You're either rich ($100,000 or more) or poor ($99,999 or less). You're either old (40 or more) or young (39 years 364 days or less). You're either Christian (Greek Orthodox church) or Pagan (Roman Catholic, Methodist, Hindu, Jedi, etc)
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
From Message 55
By those standards 75% of the women under 30 in American are "gay". I suppose we could quibble over the percentage, but nah, you're right... women are pretty gay Although, the article in the OP is talking about men, and that's what my "standard" was for.
Find me one who's NEVER kissed another girl? I dunno though, two impressionable young women standing inside a circle of drunk guys chanting "kiss her" that end up doing it to shut them up shouldn't qualify as being not-straight. Just like the stripper who does it for the money. Or this one girl I remember from high school. She was cute and had a boyfriend or two. Then she got kicked out of her parents house and moved in with this older girl who was a bull-dike. After living with her for a while, she "found out" that she was gay and cut her hair real short and started dressing like a dude. Then I didn't see her anymore. I saw her again recently and she's married and has two kids I don't think she was nearly as gay as much as she needed a place to live. She just let someone else influence her into doing something she wouldn't have normally pursued. She could maintain her striaghtness unless she really liked it, then she's gay. It doesn't really work for men though. I couldn't fake being gay to save my life, with the whole vomiting and having a flacid penis going on. That's why men are either straight, or not. from Message 56 So, you're either white (from England or Norway) or black (from Italy or Africa) You're either tall (6'0" or above) or short (5'11" or below). You're either rich ($100,000 or more) or poor ($99,999 or less). You're either old (40 or more) or young (39 years 364 days or less). You're either Christian (Greek Orthodox church) or Pagan (Roman Catholic, Methodist, Hindu, Jedi, etc)
Now you're getting it!
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onifre Member (Idle past 2973 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
No, its white (striaght) and not-white (gay). There's just a whole grey scale of gayness going on ...It's a slippery scale too, just don't ask what makes it slippery.
Bi-sexual makes you not-straight. So then you're gay (logically). At times you'd be considered gay, at times you'd be considered straight, thus (bi)-sexual seems a better fit (logically). If a female is bi-sexual (for my examples I only use females ), when she's with another female she's gay, when she's with a dude she's straight...and when it's filmed, it's awesome! But you can't really label someone who finds both sexes attractive gay or straight. I guess they fall into that "slippery" grey scale of gayness, that you spoke of.
Paying a stripper to act gay doesn't make her gay if she's just doing it for the money.
Wait, strippers aren't being honest and up-front? You mean I'm not that interesting and attractive? Fuck! - Oni Petition to Bailout Comedy The Laugh Factory is imploring Congress to immediately fund what owner Jamie Masada calls an "Economic Cheer-Up." If Congress fails to act quickly, the Laugh Factory comedians are planning to march to Washington and plea to President Obama.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2973 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
It doesn't really work for men though. I couldn't fake being gay to save my life, with the whole vomiting and having a flacid penis going on. That's why men are either straight, or not. Wait, your saying if someone blows a dude once he's gay for life? That doesn't seem fair. *Note: I have never blown a dude! - Oni Petition to Bailout Comedy The Laugh Factory is imploring Congress to immediately fund what owner Jamie Masada calls an "Economic Cheer-Up." If Congress fails to act quickly, the Laugh Factory comedians are planning to march to Washington and plea to President Obama.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
...It's a slippery scale too, just don't ask what makes it slippery. Gross...
Bi-sexual makes you not-straight. So then you're gay (logically). At times you'd be considered gay, at times you'd be considered straight, thus (bi)-sexual seems a better fit (logically).
Not according to my standard in this thread. If at any time you're not straight, then you're gay. But being gay doesn't have to mean that you can't get it on with the oppoisite sex.
If a female is bi-sexual (for my examples I only use females ), Oh, that's your problem. Females are a peculiar bunch. Nobody has them figured out yet. To try to maintain something of a topic here... from the OP:
quote: We're talking about dudes (if you want to bail now, that's cool).
But you can't really label someone who finds both sexes attractive gay or straight. Sure you can, as I have for this thread: If you're not straight, then you're gay. Plain and simple.
Wait, strippers aren't being honest and up-front? You mean I'm not that interesting and attractive? Fuck! You're interesting enough (because you're funny), but from your myspace videos I can assure you that you are not attractive
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