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Author Topic:   Was there a worldwide flood?
Dr Adequate
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Message 314 of 372 (511072)
06-06-2009 12:46 AM
Reply to: Message 311 by Peg
06-06-2009 12:42 AM


if you came upon a city that was covered by 70% water, would you deny that it had been flooded?
No. That would be because I know that cities are typically built above water.
And if you can find any evidence of cities buried beneath the lowest layers of sedimentary rocks, you'll have a point.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 317 of 372 (511075)
06-06-2009 12:54 AM
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06-06-2009 12:44 AM


Re: Worldwide flood -- not
I can't get anything out of that link.
Please just tell me what skull you're talking about.
From the details in the linked article, it's got to be Homo rudolfensis.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 318 of 372 (511076)
06-06-2009 12:55 AM
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06-06-2009 12:51 AM


we know that aint gonna happen
I know that because I know that "flood geology" is a steaming heap.
But how do you know it?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 321 of 372 (511079)
06-06-2009 12:57 AM
Reply to: Message 315 by Peg
06-06-2009 12:50 AM


Re: Worldwide flood -- not
So how can a 1.75 million year old fossil resemble modern man?
By belonging to the same genus.
Duh.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 327 of 372 (511086)
06-06-2009 1:27 AM
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06-06-2009 1:17 AM


But when you look at geological features that have been paved by water such as the Grand Canyon, or The Blue Mountains (aust)
Or underwater reefs such as the one found in the Australian desert areas such as the Flinders Ranges Oodnaminta Reef
or the flat topped seamounts deep below the waters surface with evidence of having once been above the surface
its not hard to believe that there really was an earthwide flood
Except that the people who, unlike you, do in fact spend their entire professional lives looking at the rocks, find it, not just hard, but impossible, to believe in "flood geology".
Do bear in mind that everything you think you know about geology falls into just two classes:
(a) Crap creationists made up.
(b) Facts discovered by geologists, who are therefore aware of these facts. In much, much more detail than you.

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Message 329 of 372 (511088)
06-06-2009 1:42 AM
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06-06-2009 1:22 AM


i know it because the building of cities began after the flood.
Unless you believe Genesis 4:17, of course. But heck, who'd be dumb enough to believe the Book of Genesis?

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Message 349 of 372 (511345)
06-09-2009 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by pandion
06-09-2009 1:47 AM


Re: Genetics and Pigs
That would be really nice if that were how you presented the argument. In fact, you challenged Peg's assertion that pig fossils are, in fact, quite useful as index fossils over vast areas in east Africa.
That is not, in fact, what Peg asserted. Indeed, part of the YEC dogma is to deny that index fossils are useful in any way whatsoever.
If you can get Peg to assert that any fossils are useful as index fossils, I shall award you the Dr Adequate Prize For Talking Sense Into Creationists.

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Message 352 of 372 (511449)
06-09-2009 7:19 PM
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06-09-2009 6:28 PM


Re: Genetics and Pigs
Nevertheless, the spider analogy is still bad.
No, not really. Peg's sole point, if it can be dignified with that name, was that the existence of different pigs in different places at the same time somehow invalidates geology.
So the observation that different species in the same taxon do, right now, live in different places at the same time, is indeed sufficient to refute her argument.
If she had a more subtle point in mind (which she didn't) then she has relinquished her chance to make it.

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Message 358 of 372 (511553)
06-10-2009 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 354 by Peg
06-10-2009 4:47 AM


Re: Genetics and Pigs
I questioned using the sediment layers as a marker because as is seen in the layers of sediment from the Omo and Lake Rudolf areas, they are not always consistent with each other. In the example i gave, the pigs are in the same sediment layer, are dated to the same time but are a different types of pig.
Different pigs live in different places. How does this make geology "inconsistent"?
I was not calling into question geology as a whole....even though the geologic column IS a hypothetical structure.
What do you mean by the phrase "hypothetical structure"? Would this phrase also apply to the Periodic Table?
Might I suggest that if you wish to understand geology, reading creationist crap is not the best place to start?

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