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Are Creationists shooting themselves in the foot?

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Message 16 of 80 (510673)
06-02-2009 11:42 AM 		Reply to: Message 15 by Huntard
06-02-2009 10:19 AM

I thought you accepted scientific facts? Don't contradict yourself.
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And when pressed they cannot provide any scientific facts in support of YEC. The root of the matter is that not only do they not understand what science is, but they REFUSE to understand what science is. They truly believe that if they call it creation "science", it magically becomes science.
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Isn't it funny that fundies protest things like Harry Potter, but expect everyone to believe their magical tales.
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Message 58 of 80 (511469)
06-09-2009 10:40 PM 		Reply to: Message 55 by greentwiga
06-09-2009 6:54 PM

Before about 9,500 BC, there was no domesticated plants and no farmers according to science. There also was a drought for 1,300 years, called the Younger Dryas that according to science was far worse than any experienced in historic times.
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This is simplistic to an extreme. Yes the levant experienced droughts during this period but to say there was a 1,300 year drought is a bit of an exaggeration. If anything this led to the beginning of agriculture it did not prevent the beginning of agriculture.
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The statement that there was no plants of the field because there was no rain and no man to cultivate the ground is exactly what scientists say.
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Who says this? Show me.
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Here is a real quick 2 min search for some info on the subject.
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The Younger Dryas is often linked to the adoption of agriculture in the Levant. It is argued that the cold and dry Younger Dryas lowered the carrying capacity of the area and forced the sedentary Early Natufian population into a more mobile subsistence pattern. Further climatic deterioration is thought to have brought about cereal cultivation. While there exists relative consensus regarding the role of the Younger Dryas in the changing subsistence patterns during the Natufian, its connection to the beginning of agriculture at the end of the period is still being debated.
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So quit trying to baffle with BS.
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06-10-2009 3:44 PM 		Reply to: Message 60 by greentwiga
06-10-2009 12:10 AM

In Message 55 you say
The statement that there was no plants of the field because there was no rain and no man to cultivate the ground is exactly what scientists say.
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Now you change your argument completely and say that the Younger Dryas IS responsible for the beginning of agriculture. So when you get shown you are wrong you alter your argument? I am still waiting for you to point out the scientists that agree with the above statement.
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More importantly what does all this have to do with anything. As I have said before you are not going to impress or baffle us with your BS.
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06-10-2009 3:49 PM 		Reply to: Message 63 by greentwiga
06-10-2009 1:57 AM

Simple, I was connecting the Bible's statement about no rain, no farmers and no domesticated plants with Scientists statement that in the fertile crescent and possibly all of the Middle East, there was a severe drought, that there was no farmers, and that there was no domesticated plants.
So which argument are you going with. The one in Message 55 that there were no plants or men because of this drought, or the one in Message 60, that the drought brought on agriculture. You cannot argue both. They are complete opposites.
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