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Author Topic:   An accurate analogy of Evolution by Natural selection
Coyote
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Message 11 of 49 (511961)
06-13-2009 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by slevesque
06-13-2009 12:51 AM


Analogy -- not!
There's a fundamental flaw in your analogy; in tape copying the best end point is defined as the starting point.
The end point could be better then the starting point I would think. I mean, the quality, definition etc. of the image could be better at the end than at the beginning.
Sort of like going from a DVD quality image to an HD quality image. (I'm referring only to image quality, not necessarily all the technology behind it of course)
So I don't think the starting point in my analogy is the best it could be, it still could go up or down.
If you're going to do an analogy, at least get one which reflects the reality you're trying to model.
Going from a DVD image to an HD image is not even close. There is no feedback mechanism!
With evolution, beneficial mutations are retained and spread through the population, while deleterious mutations are flushed from the population. There is a very active feedback mechanism at work.
There is no such mechanism in copying a DVD, or in any analogy involving non-living things.

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Message 13 of 49 (511968)
06-13-2009 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by slevesque
06-13-2009 1:21 AM


Re: Analogy -- not!
In my analogy, I would think there is a feedback mechanism (If I understand correctly what you mean by this), since I copy the video 100 times, and then make a selection of the best video at of them all to copy again 100 hundred times, etc.
I disagree that your analogy has any relation to evolution through natural selection and other mechanisms.
Your "100 videos" simply have no relation to descent with modification and natural selection.
To be closer, you would have to run millions of copies and then keep all videos which appeared better while discarding all videos which appeared worse. Rinse and repeat.

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Message 29 of 49 (512029)
06-13-2009 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Taz
06-13-2009 1:32 PM


Language as an analogy
Guys, we don't have to look far for something familiar to be analogous to biological evolution. The evolution of language is the closest thing you will ever get to biological evolution. And the best part about the evolution of language is it's undeniable because it's an undeniable part of our history and it's still happening right in front of our eyes and ears. Unless they want to argue that god created spanish, french, and all the other modern languages at babel.
You're right about language being a good analogy.
That why at least one creationist poster I ran into on another website denied that the English language had evolved. When confronted with examples of middle and old English he had myriad excuses why those didn't mean anything and that he was right.
As with many creationists, his mind was made up and no amount of evidence would make the least bit of difference.
Heinlein was right: "Belief gets in the way of learning."

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