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Message 21 of 526 (508533)
05-14-2009 5:13 PM

Reply to: Message 20 by SammyJean
05-14-2009 1:32 PM

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Do we try and convince the religious public that science can be wonderful and is not to be feared?

Yes, I think that is the best way.

But I do not believe that I have to treat religious people with any more respect than they treat me as an atheist. In other words, I treat others as I am treated no matter what your beliefs, but if your disrespectful of my beliefs I will attack yours.

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Message 68 of 526 (511733)
06-11-2009 1:10 PM

Reply to: Message 66 by greentwiga
06-11-2009 12:59 PM

Re: Def of Religion

For example, if you believe that the universe was caused by a natural phenomenon called the big bang, its nature is a completely physical one, and that there is no purpose but the only guiding forces are evolution and other natural forces, then does that fit?

Atheism says nothing about this. Atheism is the lack of theism.

Do some atheist believe the above? Yes. Do most? Probably. But that is separate from atheism.

In your mind, is everyone that believes in a "big bang"(even though beginning of the universe is more complex than this term) and evolution an atheist.

There are a lot of theists that know those are real too.

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Message 86 of 526 (511881)
06-12-2009 1:07 PM

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06-12-2009 12:54 PM

Re: The topic of this debate

It just is not scientifically provable.

Nothing in this realm is scientifically provable. You cannot prove the existence or non-existence of a god. I am not sure what the point of your comment is. Please elaborate.

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Message 108 of 526 (512248)
06-15-2009 12:42 PM

Reply to: Message 107 by Vacate
06-15-2009 11:18 AM

Re: Strong Atheist

I don't believe I have met a "strong atheist"

Let me be the first.

I am a strong atheist. I am not the type that says there is no proof so I don't believe. I know there are no gods. In order for there to be gods, or the supernatural all reality would have to be different from what it is. There is no magic, there is no paranormal, there is no supernatural. If there were then reality would not be as we know it. For there to be any of these things the basic laws of our universe would have to change. They can't change, because if they did reality itself would change.

Pin an atheist into a corner however and they will admit that it could be possible but likely won't loose much sleep over it.

I hate when people lump groups together and attribute things like this. This statement is not true. Be very careful using statements that members of a group think or will all act the same way. I would not agree that there is a possibility. There is NO possibility.

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Message 111 of 526 (512308)
06-16-2009 10:00 AM

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Re: Strong Atheist

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Pin some atheists on this forum and I am nearly positive that the ones I have met will admit generally...

Much better and a lot more accurate. I know quite a few atheist with my viewpoint.

They did, just last Tuesday.

Now that would be a belief in the supernatural wouldn't it.

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