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Perdition
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Message 16 of 23 (512634)
06-19-2009 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by slevesque
06-19-2009 11:35 AM


Is there a scientific explanation for such experiences ? As in is there a reaction in the brain etc. ?
There is indeed.
If there is indeed a reaction in the brain who could explain these phenomenon, then how on earth did it developp in an evolutionnary pattern and what is the advantage from a natural selection point of view since it happens only when you are dead ?
The reaction is oxygen deprivation. The brain starts losing it's fule, and the cylinders begin to misfire. It dredges up half-remembered bits, combines it with any sensory input still getting through , and just like in a dream, attempts to create a story out of it as best it can.
It has been noted many times by people, especially in the air force, when they are in the high speed spinning contraptions that simulate G forces encountered in planes or rockets. WHen they spin it up so fast that blood literally can't pump all the way up to the brain, the people begin to hallucinate, they see bright lights, they feel a sense of calm, and they see loved ones that may or may not be dead. Some people even get on with the sole intention of bringing about that state.
For some actual experiments involving fighter pilots and centrifuges, you might start here.
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slevesque
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Message 17 of 23 (512639)
06-19-2009 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Perdition
06-19-2009 3:49 PM


I had thought of something like that, but hadn't found any sites discussing it.
Although it still doesn't explain how the guy in the account I said could have known about the existence of what was written on the plate under the operation table.

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Perdition
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Message 18 of 23 (512646)
06-19-2009 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by slevesque
06-19-2009 3:59 PM


Well, since you didn't have a link or anything for us to look at, it sounds more like hyperbole or fiction, whether deliberate or not, on someone's part. I have no doubt you heard the story, but that doesn't mean the story is true.
I have heard stories about people who are "dead" being revived and knowing what had been talked about, but that's not so hard to believe as their ears may still have been working fine.

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cavediver
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Message 19 of 23 (512661)
06-19-2009 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taz
06-18-2009 5:53 PM


Hi Taz - first off, I'm really sorry for your loss. I lost my best friend six years ago, and it still hurts like hell when I think about it.
Ten years ago I had just about lost* all of my Christian faith. I was pushing a cave when I became separated from my line. I made desperate attempts to locate it, but with zero visibility, complex passageway, and rapidly dwindling gas, after about 30 minutes it became obvious that I was not going to get out.
Over about ten minutes I contemplated my life and came to the conclusion that it had been pretty damn good: I'd achieved several dreams, and accomplished quite a bit; if I had to go now, I couldn't really complain. At no point did I pray, beg, or think about a forthcoming judgement. My overriding emotion was embarassment that I had been stupid enough to be caught out like this. It was embarassment that forced me to go out fighting rather than just accept it calmly, and that's why I'm here to type this
Losing my best friend, a fellow cave-diver, was tough. I desperately wish he was around, but I don't ever think about seeing him in some kind of afterlife - I just enjoy the memories, knowing that he lived a very full life.
*several years later, on the back of a very difficult period of my life, I regained my faith for a while. It was during this time that I discovered EvC, which inevitably led to my currently evolving state towards atheist.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 20 of 23 (512674)
06-19-2009 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taz
06-18-2009 5:53 PM


You have now stepped in to the Twilight Zone...
All right, fine, I'll be serious...
This brings me to the crux of the matter. The last date shown on the message is 2 days from now. There's no number of death and there's no GPS coordinates. I have to assume that this upcoming disaster will happen everywhere and that it will affect everyone.
When I was about 20, I turned into an atheist after spending all my life as a devout fundamentalist christian. Now that I am faced with my own mortality as well as the mortality of every other human being on Earth, should I turn back to god or should I continue to deny god's existence? Will "Judgement Day" be a planned event meant as a wakeup call for all of us or will it just be an event, one of many in the universe?
What are the dates? If you say December 21 2012, you might even freak me out.
First things first... Do you have any way to find out who wrote down the series of numbers? If they are still alive (they'd probably be about 60 yrs old) you can interview them and have them recollect what the significance of the numbers were to them.
Start with the simplest explanations and work your way out, systematically ruling certain things out while giving way to the possibility of others.
Are you able to accomplish this?

"The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money." --Margaret Thatcher--

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 21 of 23 (512677)
06-19-2009 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Taz
06-18-2009 9:13 PM


Onward to oblivion
My deepest condolences for your loss. I've lost a few myself over the years, some ironically to gun shot wounds. The older I get the more real my own mortality comes. I have been sort of battling a mid-life crisis about that. I'm coming up to the acceptance phase, but it is still a ways off.
I too have also been very conflicted between the whole God/no God thing. I just don't know for sure. And that is just going to have to be acceptable for the time being. I don't feel like I need to side with any one. I hope you don't either.
I think I can say this with some certainty: You or I or anyone here is not going to unravel every one of life's mysteries in our lifetime. You may go through a series of many disappointments, moments of despair, and moments of jubilation.
Just keep fighting the good fight and remember that while life has a lot of pain, there are a lot of good moments in it. Go forth in to oblivion with a happy heart! I know, easier said than done.

"The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money." --Margaret Thatcher--

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Taz
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From: Zerus
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Message 22 of 23 (512684)
06-20-2009 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Hyroglyphx
06-19-2009 9:23 PM


Hyroglyphx writes:
What are the dates?
2 days from today.
First things first... Do you have any way to find out who wrote down the series of numbers?
A school girl 50 years ago name Lucinda.
If they are still alive (they'd probably be about 60 yrs old) you can interview them and have them recollect what the significance of the numbers were to them.
Went this route. She died a few years back.
Start with the simplest explanations and work your way out, systematically ruling certain things out while giving way to the possibility of others.
I've considered me seeing what I wanted to see.
Are you able to accomplish this?
Already done so.
Coincidently, here is a picture of me smiling.

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slevesque
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Message 23 of 23 (512687)
06-20-2009 1:28 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Perdition
06-19-2009 4:32 PM


I think the guy wrote a book on it, I'll try to find it. ALthough it'll probably be in french

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