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Author Topic:   Where Faith Comes From in the "moderate" Christian religions
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Message 2 of 132 (513107)
06-25-2009 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Teapots&unicorns
06-24-2009 8:42 PM


Some changes to message 1 done
See the "Edited by Adminnemooseus" note.
I wanted to more stress that this was NOT about the more extreme fundamentalist literal Bible Christianity.
Also, I have edited your "signature" at your profile, to make the text a finer print. That way your "signature" does not so dominate the content of your messages. I also strongly suggest that you not activate your "signature" for all your messages, especially if you are posting more than one or two messages per day. I find it annoying to get hammered by that much "signature" text in a lot of messages. And you don't want to annoy the Adminnemooseus.
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Message 3 of 132 (513110)
06-25-2009 2:20 AM


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Message 21 of 132 (513189)
06-26-2009 4:51 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Peg
06-26-2009 3:24 AM


Peg writes:
Woodsy writes:
If, as you say, this tendency is innate, the fact that religion is widespread is not evidence for the truth of religion either.
Some other kind of evidence needs to be presented to be convincing to non-believers.
i thought the OP was asking where faith came from if it didnt come from the bible...many people have faith without it being based on religion, so i though the OP was asking why this is so.
i'll have to re-read it.
I have to fully agree with Peg on this. The topic question is about the source of the faith, not the "truth" of the religion.
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There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot.
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Message 22 of 132 (513191)
06-26-2009 5:09 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by slevesque
06-26-2009 4:41 AM


Going out of bounds of the topic theme
quote:
evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason Jesus’ earthly life was supposedly made necessary. Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin, and in the rubble you will find the sorry remains of the son of god. Take away the meaning of his death. If Jesus was not the redeemer who died for our sins, and this is what evolution means, then Christianity is nothing!
Bozarth, G. Richard, "The Meaning of Evolution," American Atheist (February 1978), page 30
Substituting the historical view of creation by evolution (by viewing genesis as allegorical) has unsurmountable for christianity ...
The "moderate Christians" would/do not agree with this. And it is the "moderate Christians" perspective that is the core of this topic.
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Message 76 of 132 (513454)
06-28-2009 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Theodoric
06-28-2009 9:00 PM


Re: Origin of the species vs. origin of life (pretty damn off-topic)
quote:
Even those who dont believe in God/gods, they do believe in something that caused our being, ie evolution
In the context of "the nature of Peg", this is somewhat ambiguous. Perhaps she is saying "evolution" and meaning "life origins". But in literally reading that statement, I don't find any problem with it.
In all, I thought that message 4 was pretty good. Not a great masterpiece, but the non-admin mode did go so far as to give it a POTM nomination.
Bottom line: I personally don't think that considerations of abiogenesis and/or evolution are really significant to the "moderate Christian." Actually, I sometimes wonder if the old testament in general is that significant to the "moderate Christian".
Please, no responses to the moderation portion of this message. Members, however, may wish to pursue my statements of the previous paragraph. Even that, however, is rather off-topic. But I guess I can tolerate such in messages, if it does connect up to the faith origins of "moderate Christians." But maybe such may make for a good new topic.
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There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot.
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Message 132 of 132 (514108)
07-03-2009 7:37 PM


Terminally off-topic
I can't see this one ever properly getting back on-topic.
Closing.
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It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon.
There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot.
Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Source

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