What is a Fringe Journal?

Isnt that the same journal of illogic and crapitude where salty publishes his incoherent ramblings?

Welcome back Salty.....actually, this is the first time in ages that you have come up (as a negative example no less). In any case, Scott was actually pointing out someone elses article in this..ahem..respectable ..academic ...journal cheers,
M

Hi Percy,
While you may take issue with Scott's tone he brings up several good points highly relevant to the new stated topic of the thread. Controversial ideas (even blatantly wrong ones) get published in main stream journals (i.e. those with a broader readership than those working in their subfields) and in books all the time. Look at the controversy over whether Napolean Chagnon and James V. Neel intentionally subjected the Yanomamo to measles (I think) to test a eugenics theory...this was a whacky idea not supported by the facts yet it was all over the place..but it had an air of plausibility that could not immediately be explained away i.e. Chagnon did some really questionable things during his studies of the Yanomamo culture that are documented, they did get sick just as these guys started poking around, the some iterations of the vaccine they distributed had been known to be dangerous etc. etc.If stuff like this makes it to prime time, why would salty's work be limited to opinion pieces in a journal that I would never have heard of even if looking for it if Scott had not posted the reference i.e. fringe journal? One possibility, salty's ideas have so little merit that regular journals would not consider the work i.e. editor reads it and says this is not of sufficient quality...this is the most likely explanation and happens to all of us in science. A second possibility is that salty is really bad at promoting his ideas, there is evidence for this in abundance here at EvC. This would also hinder his ability to communicate his work.In any case I think there is a bit of both. Salty does not communicate well and there are basic molecular biological as well as logical flaws in what he writes. He explicitly states his agenda is "against Darwinists and atheists" rather than a scientific investigation of a biological phenomenon and thus he will be relegated to the fringe as opposed to someone who actually can challenge a theory based on the merits of his theoretical or experimental analysis...cheers,
M

In fact Riv. Biol. is in principle soley a commentary journal directed mostly to an Italian audience...Founded in 1919, RIVISTA DI BIOLOGIA / BIOLOGY FORUM is one of the oldest biological journals in the world. It published articles by many prestigious Italian and international authors (such as E. Giglio-Tos, D. Rosa, J. Eccles, B. Goodwin, G. Webster, R. Thom, F. Varela, A. Lima-de-Faria).
It publishes researches in the fields of Theoretical Biology, in its broadest sense. It aims at going beyond specializations, discussing, before a multidisciplinary audience, biological subjects of general interest.
Rivista di Biologia / Biology Forum publishes researches in all fields of biology (such as Evolutionary Biology, Developmental Biology, Genetics, Biophysics, Biomathematics, History of Biology etc.), provided they are of general theoretical interest.Articles are in English, with an Italian summary. A news section (mainly in Italian) publishes book reviews, brief news and readers' letters (letters, either in English or in Italian, may be sent toaccording to the journal..articles are generally invited though they do accept other submissions....It is not clear to me from the instructions that the articles are peer reviewed but rather edited for language..Language revision. When requested by authors, editors or referees, Rivista di Biologia / Biology Forum may have papers revised by English-speaking translators. Revision costs will be charged to the authors.I would hesitate to define the journal as purely fringe as they do deal with rather normal discussions of biological importance..from the latest issueGian Luigi Mariottini and Luigi Pane Ecology of Planktonic Heterotrophic Flagellates. A Review AbstractSergio Pennazio Photosynthesis: A Short History of Some Modern Experimental Approaches Abstract...a better term for this journal would be extremely obscure. Otherwise, it seems like an Italian version of New Scientist or something equivalent...I cannot say 100% for certain as my attempts to read abstracts lead me to dead links.I would consider a more fringe journal to be something that might have "UFO's and their effects on intelligent designed polymerization of DNA chains by I.P. Freely and I.M. Clueless" or "Biblical Flood Modelling: Passing gas in the bathtub as a theoretical framework for proving the Flood" as a standard type of article.

good catch bulldog...that is more than just a quibble...if I put my institution in a published article as Cornell University as opposed to Cornell College that is more than just a misrepresentation, it is outright fraud..regardless of the relative prestige of either institution...it is giving a fake address...one can only hope it was an editorial error.

Are any other known creationists falsely claiming that they are from institutions with which they have no association...and are any journals or book publishers for that matter letting them get away with it?

Don't most of them have degrees from Patriot University?A lot of them have degrees from registered trademarks or "universities" that are a mailbox somewhere. Some do have actual degrees though the vast majority are not in biology i.e. engineering, chemistry. Behe is a biochemist, Safarti is a chemist, and Salty was a biology professor of development if his early publications are any indication.In any case, it is interesting that they all associate with groups that attempt to mis-represent both their credentials and their places of employment...at the same time claiming evolutionary biologists are liars...