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traste Member (Idle past 5143 days) Posts: 173 Joined: |
Ringo writes: There were mountains before the flood. The question would be: How did seashells get to the tops of those mountains (in multiple layers
My reply: Are mountains stable in their shapes?
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traste Member (Idle past 5143 days) Posts: 173 Joined: |
"Dr" Adequate writes:
---------------------------------------------------------------------Your assertions. And your interpretation of them. --------------------------------------------------------------------- What a confident statement, I really hate people reason in this way. Have you really know that the oldest writen record was not 5000 years old or you are just stupid? Have you really know that the dating methods are not reliable in some way?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Have you really know that the oldest writen record was not 5000 years old or you are just stupid? The oldest written records reliably date past 5,000 years ago.
Have you really know that the dating methods are not reliable in some way? Your question is somewhat garbled, but I assume you are challenging dating methods and claiming that they are unreliable. Better provide some evidence for that claim. So far, all of science is against you. This includes the various radiometric methods of dating, which correlate very well with annular events (tree-rings, varves, corals, etc.). If you are claiming that all of those methods of dating are inaccurate you had best provide some evidence (and see tagline for some guidance). Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 989 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
My reply: Are mountains stable in their shapes?
Depends. What sort of time scale are you considering? What are the mountains composed of? How high are the mountains? What's the climate like? You're not going to erode the Rockies down to their cores in 40 days regardless of the amount of rain; but the Black Hills will certainly take a beating. Edited by roxrkool, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi traste, looking for possible explanations?
My reply: Are mountains stable in their shapes? That's not a reply, that's a question. Generally speaking the question is not about already formed mountains, but the geology that forms mountains: is the geology of land masses stable enough over a 12,000 year period that rapid formation of new mountains with sedimentary layers containing seashells would not occur? Yes: there is no known process of forming mountains with many sedimentary layers, like Mt Everest, in a short period of time.
What a confident statement, I really hate people reason in this way. Then I trust we won't find you making confident assertions that are not substantiated with evidence.
Have you really know that the oldest writen record was not 5000 years old or you are just stupid? The earliest written language is just a little over 5000 years old List of languages by first written accounts - Wikipedia
quote: However the cave paintings at Lascaux France are dated significantly older: Lascaux - Wikipedia
quote: And there are cave paintings older than that: Cave painting - Wikipedia
quote: So while they may not be a written language, they do certainly provide information, and they were evidently made by humans to communicate something. And if we are looking for evidence of human culture, there are many objects that date even older than the paintings. What this has to do with explaining how seashells get on tops of mountains, though, I can't figure out.
Have you really know that the dating methods are not reliable in some way? If you want to discuss the reliability of dating methods, there are several threads where you can do so, such as Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1, however this too is not the topic of this thread.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Ringo writes: There were mountains before the flood. The question would be: How did seashells get to the tops of those mountains (in multiple layers My reply: Are mountains stable in their shapes? Stable in their shapes? I don't even know what that means. There should be a good explanation for why mollusks were found on mountains. Mountains weren't always there because they were geologically formed, right? Earthquakes occur forming mountains of earth by pushing up multiple layers of strata that was once a few feet above sea level. The mounds calcify and become what is known now as mountains. All the sediment and the shells went with them during the process of subduction. Seashells on mountaintops are the end product. The end. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given. "Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Earthquakes occur forming mountains of earth by pushing up multiple layers of strata that was once a few feet above sea level. Various tectonic processes cause the uplift of mountains. Earthquakes may well be a byproduct, but are not really the cause. The uplifted material may or may not have an above sea level origin. Certainly, if the materials are marine origin sediments, then the origins are from below sea level.
The mounds calcify and become what is known now as mountains. Actually, the limestone sediment was formed in the marine environment, largely biogeneticly. In other words, the limestone (calcium carbonate) of the rock itself is produced by organisms.
All the sediment and the shells went with them during the process of subduction. Although there may well be related subduction activity, tectonic uplift is not subduction. Or something like that. Further comment from our staff of geotypes is welcome. Moose Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) "Nixon was a professional politician, and I despised everything he stood for ” but if he were running for president this year against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him." - Hunter S. Thompson "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Various tectonic processes cause the uplift of mountains. Earthquakes may well be a byproduct, but are not really the cause. I was breaking this down for someone who may not clearly understand.
Actually, the limestone sediment was formed in the marine environment, largely biogeneticly. In other words, the limestone (calcium carbonate) of the rock itself is produced by organisms. Limestone is just decayed coral that has hardened over time. It has to be first out of the water to be limestone.
Although there may well be related subduction activity, tectonic uplift is not subduction. I'm just speaking in generalities about the overall tectonic process that allows for mountains to come in to being. I'm just explaining how seashells can get on to a mountain, not writing a technical thesis on tectonics. Obviously the implicit undertones were that seashells got there because of the Flood. I'm just clarifying for him other options he needs to consider before ruling out anything other than a worldwide flood. "Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Limestone is just decayed coral that has hardened over time. It has to be first out of the water to be limestone. No ... and no. This is wretchedly untrue. Don't try to speak for geologists until you know some geology.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
All the sediment and the shells went with them during the process of subduction. Seashells on mountaintops are the end product. You have confused subduction with uplift. Really, get a geology textbook, read it, and until then maintain a discreet silence. It pains me to see someone on the evolution side of the argument being as ignorant as a creationist. Stop it. My advice to you would be the same as my advice to them: shut up, go away, and learn something.
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pandion Member (Idle past 3001 days) Posts: 166 From: Houston Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes: It pains me to see someone on the evolution side of the argument being as ignorant as a creationist. Stop it. My advice to you would be the same as my advice to them: shut up, go away, and learn something. I couldn't agree more. I'm a biologist but have some knowledge of geology from reading geology texts and thus learning something. Generally, when I know nothing I keep quiet or I ask questions. Not all do so.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Really, get a geology textbook, read it, and until then maintain a discreet silence. It pains me to see someone on the evolution side of the argument being as ignorant as a creationist. Stop it. My advice to you would be the same as my advice to them: shut up, go away, and learn something. Oh, hello... Pleasure to meet you too! Thanks for the warm welcome to EvC, Doctor. It sure is swell to meet so many wonderful and learned people here, such as yourself! "Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson
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Percy Member Posts: 22393 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
I've often found that volubility and ignorance are positively correlated.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3292 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Percy writes:
Volubility: noun - the quality of being facile in speech and writing I've often found that volubility and ignorance are positively correlated. Facile: 1. Done or achieved with little effort or difficulty; easy. See Synonyms at easy.2. Working, acting, or speaking with effortless ease and fluency. 3. Arrived at without due care, effort, or examination; superficial: I guess you do learn something new everyday. People Eating Tasty Animals
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 989 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
I had to look it up, too.
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