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Author Topic:   When did Homo Sapiens become 'in the image of God' ?
Meddle
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Message 46 of 52 (513484)
06-29-2009 6:06 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by slevesque
06-25-2009 5:09 AM


Are you suggesting that the Genesis account indicates that God created man as totally different from the rest of creation ? I don't have this impression when reading it, although it mark a difference between humans and the animals. But it isn't that much of a separate event from the rest of the animals, making man on the 6th day with the rest of the mammals etc.
Well I suppose it depends which genesis story you base this all on. As you know in genesis 2, man is created first from dust before any animals, yet as you point out, in the first genesis story humans are created after their kind along with the rest of the land creatures after their kind on day six (of course some mammals were created on the fifth day i.e. whales and bats ). I guess it is open to interpretation, but because you specifically singled out theistic evolutionists, I assumed you thought of humans as a separate created 'kind'. In other words, if the 'image of god' thing is not referring to physical attributes, but is instead related to some part of our psychology, then there would be no difference between gifting it to an evolved ape at the appropriate time or choosing a created kind from day six. Hence the bad analogy to the 2001 monoliths.
Anyway I did not want to have a debate about this, since it would probably derail your topic. It was more an interest in creationist opinions for a query which I've been thinking about for a while. I would still be interested in a reply to the more on topic parts of my post i.e. what does the 'image of god' thing refer to if it is not physical?
Edited by Malcolm, : Should have been 'no difference'

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Meddle
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Message 47 of 52 (513485)
06-29-2009 6:10 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Blue Jay
06-25-2009 7:17 AM


Most would probably consider the "fallen/sinful" state to be a corruption of our original "good" nature.
In short, we maintain some of God's qualities (intelligence, knowledge of good and evil, etc.), but not all of them.
But the godlike qualities you list were supposed to be given when we were first 'created', yet the knowledge of good and evil only came after the eating of the fruit.
Sorry, I realise this is not your personal opinion.

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Teapots&unicorns
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Message 48 of 52 (513497)
06-29-2009 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Meddle
06-29-2009 6:06 AM


In other words, if the 'image of god' thing is not referring to physical attributes, but is instead related to some part of our psychology, then there would be difference between gifting it to an evolved ape at the appropriate time or choosing a created kind from day six.
Yes, but if God did intervene once we evolved, then did he directly change our DNA/Psyche? Or did he give us "souls" (yes, I am a materialist).

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
- Stephen Roberts
I'm a polyatheist - there are many gods I don't believe in
- Dan Foutes
"In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has widely been considered as a bad move."
- Douglas Adams

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Dr Adequate
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Message 49 of 52 (513591)
06-30-2009 7:24 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Teapots&unicorns
06-27-2009 9:25 PM


Re: In the image of GOD
I wonder if he has ever heard of an evolutionist theist?
Well of course LucyTheApe is well aware of the existence of such people. This is why I used the word "lying". LucyTheApe is lying: she knows perfectly well that her garbage is not true.

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onifre
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Message 50 of 52 (513659)
06-30-2009 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by LucyTheApe
06-27-2009 9:22 AM


Re: In the image of GOD
You can lead an athiest to water but you can't make him think.
Yes, but we can make a fundie drown.
- Oni
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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RevCrossHugger
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Message 51 of 52 (513694)
07-01-2009 5:37 AM


You can lead an atheist to water but you can't make him think.
Flammable book that.
http://www.pulltheplugonatheism.com/book_think.shtml
; {>
'When Selfish Gene author Richard Dawkins challenged physicist John Barrow on his formulation of the constants of nature at last summer Templeton-Cambridge Journalism Fellowship lectures, Barrow laughed and said, “You have a problem with these ideas, Richard, because you aren't really a scientist. You're a biologist'
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jaywill
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Message 52 of 52 (516896)
07-28-2009 3:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by slevesque
06-14-2009 3:32 AM


According to the Movie 2001: A Space Odyssey I think it happened this way.
When the ape smacked on the bone and it flew up into the air, and you hear the music of Richard Strauss's (Also Thus Spake Zaruthustra), and the ape realized that he could use that bone to clobber the other apes over the head, BINGO, he crossed the evolutionary line and became a MAN (like Adam supposedly in the Bible).
But I think you have to give some credit to the monolith that he touched in a previous scene.
Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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