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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I've often found that volubility and ignorance are positively correlated. This should be kept as a reminder that it is not creationism, per se that engenders such reactions as seen here, but the ignorance of science and the basic facts, for the next time we see a oh poor me you are attacking me because I am a creationist whine. Uplift causes mountains to be made of mollusc hills, and this process is still evident in the Himalayas and the Rockies. Everest and the Colorado Plateau are still undergoing uplift, measured these days by GPS transmitters. Subduction can lead to uplift of the land over the subducted material, and this can form mountains, but it is not the only cause. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Beyond its strict dictionary definition, voluble also has a mildly derogatory common connotation as referring to someone who talks too much, and in this context is a bit closer in meaning to glib than facile.
--Percy
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Oh, hello... Pleasure to meet you too! Thanks for the warm welcome to EvC, Doctor. It sure is swell to meet so many wonderful and learned people here, such as yourself! I was unnecessarily brusque. I'm sorry. You should still try to learn some geology before trying to teach others about it.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
I was unnecessarily brusque. I'm sorry. No hard feelings. It is kind of you to rectify it. I suppose I should remember that you've been here longer and see countless morons come in here on a daily basis. After awhile that grates on nerves and eventually we can all become less patient with imbecility.
You should still try to learn some geology before trying to teach others about it. Geology has never been a strong suit of mine. Too disinterested in it, I guess. I was just trying to give the guy the basic gist about how shells could be on mountaintops. Though I would like to ask what was wrong with subduction as opposed to uplift? Don't you need subduction to happen before any uplift occurs? "Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Sorry about not giving more information in my previous message. I wasn't really up to posting much, but I felt I couldn't let your less than accurate information just pass.
I do have a geology degree, but it and the course including mountain building was 30 years ago. I wasn't that strong on it back then, and I've forgotten much since then. Orogeny - Wikipedia
quote: I'm not real happy with the above quoted information, but I don't offhand have anything better to offer. Perhaps the best case study is the Appalachian orogeny, of which the Alleghenian orogeny is apparently synonymous and/or the most significant event. Other earlier Appalachian region orogenies are the Taconic orogeny and the Acadian orogeny.
Though I would like to ask what was wrong with subduction as opposed to uplift? Don't you need subduction to happen before any uplift occurs? In short, orogeny is caused by continental collision. It would seem that this would require the subduction of oceanic crust prior to the collision. This subduction event probably would be considered part of the orogenic event. In all, study of an orogenic event can be complex. But the above cited material can hopefully function as a starting point for further discussion. Please, no POTM nominations for this dog of a posting. Moose
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pandion Member (Idle past 3021 days) Posts: 166 From: Houston Joined: |
Let me see if I can help.
The "clams on mountain tops" claim generally proposed by creationists as evidence of a flood is usually a reference to the fossil shells found in the limestone deposits on Mt. Everest and other Himalayan peaks. Nice try, but no cigar. Limestone doesn't form in year and the vast amounts of fossils found on Himalayan peaks couldn't possible have grown in a single year. Thus, rather than the mythology of the Bible, we must look elsewhere for a reasonable explanation. So picture this. A shallow sea bottom with abundant life between two large land masses. These land massed are moving towards each other. As they do so, the edge of the minor land mass is pushed under that of the major land mass. But at the same time, the edge of the major land mass acts as a plow that scrapes up the surface of the minor mass as the minor land mass sub-ducts. As these two land massed push together, they form a huge mound of the material that was the sea bottom between them. Thus, there are huge mountains of limestone that contain sea fossils. Of course, the subduction of one tectonic plate under another causes volcanic activity. And that is true of the subduction of the Indian plate under the Asian plate. The Deccan Traps are evidence of the collision of two major land masses. As a result, there were huge volcanic flows and the formation of huge mountain ranges. The thing is that the fossils found in the Himalayas aren't the same as any that exist today. In fact, they didn't exist 4,500 years ago when this miraculous flood was supposed to have occurred.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Of course, the subduction of one tectonic plate under another causes volcanic activity. And that is true of the subduction of the Indian plate under the Asian plate. The Deccan Traps are evidence of the collision of two major land masses. References for the subduction zone related origin of the Deccan volcanics, please. Per here, they are:
quote: The Deccan Traps are of basaltic composition, for which the deep mantle plume hypothesis would seem to make sense. Not subduction zone related volcanism, but independent of needing any plate collision (although they did happen at the same time). Moose
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pandion Member (Idle past 3021 days) Posts: 166 From: Houston Joined: |
I stand corrected.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3312 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Percy writes:
Am I voluble? Beyond its strict dictionary definition, voluble also has a mildly derogatory common connotation as referring to someone who talks too much, and in this context is a bit closer in meaning to glib than facile. Edited by Taz, : No reason given. People Eating Tasty Animals
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Taz writes: Am I voluble? Oh, indubitably! --Percy Edited by Percy, : Smilie issue?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Am I voluble? No just posting off topic and (like others) without reference to a rather idiotic subtitle. The topic is seashells on mountaintops. The subtitle, back 204 messages ago was just saying hi, and it is no longer relevant. Enjoy by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
OK, back to the topic.
The idea that seashells on mountaintops is evidence for a global flood is instead evidence that creationists: 1) Know, or care, little about science and its findings, or the scientific method; and 2) Are seeking desperately for any shred of evidence--no matter how flawed or erroneous--that there was a global flood about 4,350 years ago. Creation "science" isn't meant to convince scientists, its meant to confirm the beliefs of true believers and perhaps fool school boards. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4950 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Coyote writes: 1) Know, or care, little about science and its findings, or the scientific method; can you describe the scientific method as you understand it please.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
can you describe the scientific method as you understand it please.
Not on this thread--it would be very off topic. But you could start a new thread, it sounds like it could be fun. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Lindalou,
This is some of the evidence you asked about. You'll have to look up articles on them to find others - see Message 189
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