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Author Topic:   Does What the Bleep Do We Know have any close cousins?
Perdition
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Message 5 of 24 (513752)
07-01-2009 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Purpledbear
07-01-2009 12:52 AM


Re: Strange stuff
Doesn't the double slit experiment show that when we focus intention on some of the most basic building blocks of life they recognize this? Brian Greene said this in his book as well or am I confusing the 2?
I'm not sure what 2 you're refering to, but the double slit experiment I'm aware of shows merely that light acts as both a particle and a wave, by releasing single photons, but still getting an interference pattern.
I am not suggesting this means intelligence. But if something acts different because a human or instrument a human is using for observation is present it has knowledge.....
Here, it sounds like you're confused on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, where the act of measuring something changes the thing we're measuring, making our measurments more tentative. Or perhaps you mean QM in general, like Schrodinger's Cat, where mathematically, we have two states until we view one or the other, but as far as I know, this is just mathematically speaking.
Is quantum entanglement false? WTBDWK talks about in detail. As has both Brian Greene & Cox. If the some of the basic building blocks are connected and can instantly communicate as if space did not exist. If the basic building blocks of life wizz through an omnipresent yet unknown field.
Quantum Entanglement is indeed true, and a very interesting field of research. Perhaps one of our more knowledgeable resident physicists can help you with that one.
If light is relevant to the observer in some ideal or all situations doesn't this make light aware in one way or another of an object(human) to be relevant to?
I don't know what you mean here. Relevance is defined by the observer, not the observee...
If we combine all these concepts this mass/energy, these strings, these particles whatever the hell they are to me they IT seems somewhat aware I am here. Some of these particles somehow communicate. These particles make up all there is myself included. Why is it off limits to suggest we might be able to be aware of the connection these particles have or 'move' them in another personal way without machines. If they are what makes me why is it obscene for me to assume I will be unable to control them or interact with 'em.. I use the word "them" loosely.
If you were to somehow entangle, in the quantum sense, one of your neurons with another partcile, and I'm not even sure this is feasible, since neurons are actually quite big at the quantum level, you might be able to affect that particle to some extent, but as far as affecting something that just happens to be in the area without actually using a known force generator of some sort (electrical, magnetic, etc) seems very far-fetched and New Age mumbo-jumbo-y to me.
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Perdition
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Message 7 of 24 (513767)
07-01-2009 2:03 PM
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07-01-2009 1:30 PM


Re: Strange stuff
Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle & Schrodinger's Cat to begin my journey?
I think those would be very good places to start a layman's introduction to Quantum Mechanics.
So it is your opinion the movie is just presenting material to fit their 'means'?
I haven't seen the movie, but based on what other people have said, it seems to me that the movie is just presenting material to fit their agenda/bias, rather than figuring out the truth and presenting that.
The observer collapsed the wave function simply by observing
Cave Diver or SonGoku might be better resources, but as far as I know, collapsing the wave function is more a mathematical thing. Quantum Mechanics doesn't work in a direct cause/effect way. When something happens, there is a bell curve of probability as to what the effect will be. Most particles will react within the large part of the bell, but there will be stragglers at either end, which is how you get quantum tunneling and the like. When we actually observe how the particle reacted, we collapse the wave function (bell curve) and now know how it reacted to a greater degree.
For example, we have particles in containment of some sort. For any particular particle, we don't know where it is, but there is a non-zero chance that one of those particles will end up outside the containment. We set up detectors around the conatainment, and lo and behold, we get a hit. The location wave function of that particle, with a bell curve representing possible locations, has now collapsed and the location is known to be where the detector found it.
So you do agree that somehow the most basic building blocks of everything are somehow connected and in perfect conditions or always have the ability to communicate at infinite distances as if space did not exist?
No. Most things are "connected" through the maxwell fields and gravity (on a quantum level) and the reactions through EM fields and gravity propagate at the speed of light. Quantum Entanglement is a very strange phenomenon which requires very specific circumstances under which to occur. Any, every day particle won't be quantumly entangled with anything, except for maybe an electron and the atom its a part of.
So I(the observer) have the ability to somehow impact the speed of light or have the ability to make it unique to me.
I'm not sure what you're saying. Relevance is the pertinance, germainness, applicability of something. So, if we're trying to figure out the spedd of a car, the color of that car is not a relevant observation as it has nothing to do with the pseed of the car (unless it were traveling at some significant fraction of ths peed of light). The speed of light is an objective measurement, it doesn't care who you are or what you want, it will travel at the same speed it always travels at.
IF 2 observers view light from 2 different perspectives and they obtain 2 different measurements both are correct?!?!!!?
If they get two different measurments, at least one has faulty equipment, the readings should be the same.
But, haven't some been able to demonstrate they can control their heartbeat in controlled conditions(possibly I am wrong).
Anyone can make their heart speed up or slow down...all you need to do is calm/meditate or get anxious over something. I have a suspicion your heart beat is a little sped up at the moment, as a matter of fact.
I do not see why it should be deemed impossible for the right person after research/study/training to be able to some how manipulate this stuff.
Because you can't change something unless you have something with which to interact with it. If a pitcher throws a ball at you, you can't change it's direction unless you hit it with something else. Likewise, you can't make a photon move unless you hit it with something else (another photon or an electron, etc) You don't have control over any electrons outside of your body, unless you are using a machine. So, all by your lonesome, you can't affect a photon by will alone.
Quantum Physics dismantles the notion of commonsense doesn't it?
It does indeed. In fact, it has taken down even great minds, such as Einstein, so the fact that you (and I) can't understand it very well is nothing to be disparaged. In fact, it has been said that anyone who claims to understand it is lying or wrong.

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Perdition
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From: Wisconsin
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Message 13 of 24 (513806)
07-01-2009 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Purpledbear
07-01-2009 5:24 PM


Re: Strange stuff
An electron has the ability to continue or to collapse a wave function. Information on how to collapse or continue as a wave function is packaged in the electron. Because of the law it is necessary for the electron to access this information to "shape-shift" during interaction. However, the decision of the electron to collapse or continue it's wave function is not it's own. It is just following the direction of the law. The electron simply follows a very fundamental and demonstrated law that says do X during interaction and Y when not interacting.
An electron isn't accessing some internal rules any more than a basketball is accessing some internal rule when it bounces off a backboard. It just reacts as the properties that make it up require it to react. What the double slit experiments, et. al. indicate is that the distinction we draw between a particle and a wave is not inherently there. The electron is at one and the same time a particle and a wave. We just see it as one or the other when the experiment is designed to detect one or the other.
For example, a picture of a bouncing basketball shows its color as orange. An audio tape of a bouncing basketball lets us hear the sound of the impact. It's not that our recording devices make the basket=ball choose between being orange or making a sound, it's doing both simultaneously, we're just measuring one or the other at a time.
The reasons humans obey laws with impeccable consistent & uniformity is because on some level we recognize, accept, are compelled to or are aware of the law which we knowing interact with.
Human laws exist because we have an option of doing otherwise. We can choose to murder someone, so we have a law that says we shouldn't and proscribes a punishment if we do. Physical laws aren't the same. They're descriptions of how things behave, every time they're in a similar set of circumstances, they will follow the same "rules." Choice has no bearing on it.

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