homosexuality and the Bible

I totally understand. There are some threads here on evolution that I am deeply interested in, but I'm totally lost.I'm not sure how interested even I am in the whole discussion. I had trouble letting it go, because I didn't agree any good points were made on the other side.Just for the record, the words at question are Greek. In most cases, if the NT is discussed, it's Greek at question, and in the OT Hebrew.

to Brian:Thanks for all the info. Really, it's about as I would have understood it, but you obviously did more work than me on it, as you always do.Really, I had one general point to make. The Bible is not silent on the issue of homosexuality. It's not "up in the air." Just as the Bible condemns fornication and adultery, it condemns sexuality. The religion of Paul (and of the Jews in general) was basically one in which "marriage is honorable, and its bed undefiled."It's one thing to disagree with that. It's another to suggest Paul had no opinion on the morality of male/male or female/female sex.To adminBrian:I think A_Christian believed he did back up his assertion. His statement that babies don't come from homosexual unions was the defense for his assertion. On a board like this, that seems awful weak--so weak you didn't even notice it was there. In everyday life, however, among everyday people who don't frequent message boards, arguments are often that short, which is why you get statements like "We can't have evolved from apes, because apes are still around." It's those people to whom Kent Hovind appeals, because he has hundreds of such one-line arguments.[edit: I have now read the rest of the thread, and I'm embarrassed I said anything to your admin personality. While my silly little technical point may be accurate, you were right on about the substance of his posts, the "preach and not argue" thing.][This message has been edited by truthlover, 08-19-2003]

Coming directly after AdminBrian's post on staying on topic, this sounded like a response to his post. I laughed and laughed, it looked so funny.I got what I wanted to say off my chest, so I'm not worried about the thread wandering--that's AdminBrian's job, but I had to point out the placement of this question.

Sexual prefence is a choice, its not a disease or a condition, and it doesnt happen genetically. Your not born gay.------------------
"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewisholla at me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com

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Sexual prefence is a choice, its not a disease or a condition, and it doesnt happen genetically. Your not born gay.

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Do you have any specific responses to the reasoning on this thread from those who said it is a genetic predisposition, or did you just want to make a blanket statement with no support?

No, it does. As evidence see my other posts, and Mammathus's journal articles.If it's not genetic, then why is it hereditary?

LOLYes TL, I saw Brian had posted right after I hit the submit button. Too late by then

It is hereditary in part i.e. 1/3rd to 1/2 genetic..the rest is environment including the uterine environment and the timing and concentration of hormones you are exposed to...however, there is no one gene that determines homosexuality the same way there is no single gene for other behavioral traits...or physical for that matter, eye color, height are all multifactorial. That is why if you have two gay parents you will not necessarily be gay yourself though your chances are higher because of the genetic component. If it were a single gene you could calculate the trait frequencies with a simple Punnett square.

True, it was simplistic on my part to refer to the "gay gene", although I find that's a nomenclature that highlights homosexuality's highly important biological basis.It's as hereditary as any behavior, like alcoholism. Is that an accurate way to put it?

Well I feel that I dont need to support what I said, its obvious. I dont think its hereditary either. Maybe those in the family who are gay influence that persons choices.------------------
"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewisholla at me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com[This message has been edited by messenjaH, 08-21-2003]

So you prefer your groundless and false assertions to the reality of the genetic and behavioral studies that have actually been performed that show you are wrong?What a great way to live...it removes research, evidence, substantiation, and contemplation from ones life and replaces it with uninformed opinion...I finally see what the appeal of being a creationist is....being lazy.

So, we get a young teen (already confused about life) and tell him
that if he isn't practicing fornication by 15 he is obviously gay
and needs to come out. Of course there are older men who would just
love to be of service to our young fledgling (show him the ropes).

The Bible is a Christians firm foundation. It's not laziness it is Godliness, Christians (or Creationists) strive to be like Christ.
The word Christian means "little Christ".The Bible blatantly states that being homosexual is an abomination to the Lord.------------------
"As by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? The number of intermediate links between all living and extinct species must have been inconceivably great!" (emphasis added) -- Charles Darwin

A Christian, why don't you just sit down, have a nice cup of tea and take a deep breath before posting anymore utterly mindless drivel.Where do you loonies get your ideas? How do you make it across that chasm of total illogic between 'we think homosexuality probably has a genetic element' to 'we think young boys should be predated by older men, and should be having sex by 15'?

Better than feeding a teen a lie that there is no heritable component to a behavioral trait...just because you do not have a clue about genetics does not mean everyone is equally so clueless...and just because the facts of biology are distasteful to you does not mean they should be supressed...but then you are clearly not interested in the truth.I find it fascinating that the fact that a behavior such as homosexuality has a partial genetic basis causes you immediately assume that telling someone this simple biological reality might make them gay i.e. your puerile rant against me in your post and your implication that I am gay and wish to somehow "convert" messenj...and where in my post did I tell this young lad you seem to have a strange and sudden fondness for to fornicate?It certainly shows you need a couple of classes in genetics for one thing (not to mention logic) since you obviously do not understand even the basic principles of heredity much less more complicated topics such as evolution.