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Author Topic:   Does What the Bleep Do We Know have any close cousins?
Taz
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Message 11 of 24 (513798)
07-01-2009 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Purpledbear
07-01-2009 12:52 AM


Re: Strange stuff
Purpledbear writes:
I am not suggesting this means intelligence. But if something acts different because a human or instrument a human is using for observation is present it has knowledge.....
Not at all. In order to measure something, we have to have an instrument there. The instrument itself, then, acts as an interference to whatever it is we're measuring. Here is an example of what I mean.
Suppose you want to measure windspeed in a wind tunnel. You put in a device that measures wind speed. But the measurement you got isn't the true unimpeded windspeed. Your instrument added some resistance.
There's nothing magical about the phenomenon. If you observe something, you in effect interferes with it.

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Taz
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Message 19 of 24 (513825)
07-01-2009 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Purpledbear
07-01-2009 6:12 PM


Re: Baseball Analogies
Purpledbear writes:
The video I watched implied, I thought, the measuring device being used was some sort of camera or similar device(high powered microscope). I believe I felt this way because their claim was when observed the electron reacted. My mind did not substitute the word measure for observe.
When we deal with the quantum world, there is no such thing as direct observation. We could bounce stuff onto what we want to "observe", we could have them fly through a cloud chamber, we could even smash them together and detect the radiation.
So, it is not the fact that the electrons are acting differently because of interaction/resistance or force that most find 'queer' We have known for years when some type of force is put on an object it will react. Rather it is the self expression, the way the electron reacts to the interaction that is queer.
Huh?

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