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Rrhain
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Message 136 of 384 (514143)
07-04-2009 6:38 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by ochaye
07-04-2009 3:56 AM


ochaye responds to me:
quote:
"'Til heaven and earth pass, we will not leave here without getting our money."
They got their money.
Huh? Was there an actual point there? I handily admit I don't see it.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Peg
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Message 137 of 384 (514157)
07-04-2009 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by anglagard
07-04-2009 3:01 AM


Re: Absurd Response
anglagard writes:
The Mosaic Law Code is not the issue. The issue is why do those who find a book infallible still manage to pick and choose what parts to follow and what parts to ignore.
Your diversionary and simplistic comment fools few, if any, around here.
you asked a silly question.
you were comparing apples with oranges. I assume you've read genesis, Leviticus and Deuteronomy so surely you could see the difference in these books...why ask a silly question?

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ochaye
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Message 138 of 384 (514164)
07-04-2009 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Rrhain
07-04-2009 6:38 AM


'I handily admit I don't see it.'
Never mind. Others will.

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Hill Billy
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Message 139 of 384 (514280)
07-05-2009 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Taz
10-26-2007 2:47 PM


Taz writes:
denying the whole deity thing has made me a much better person now.
Got any supporting documentation?
I refuse continue to be hating bigot I used to be.
Really? Any chance you just found a new target group?
when my head explodes
Ah, that again.
Um, what about those 1 year olds who could barely walk? What about the unborn children and pregnant women? All them pro-life folks out there have been trying to make a case for the human status of a fetus (I believe the fetus IS a fully human being). What about those unborn children?
I've never been to the Bay of Fundy but I'll try to take this on.
Quite simply, GOD is unconstrained by time and therefore is aware of every life lived (and every choice made in that life) even before it is lived. Now I wouldn't trust you or any other human to judge me based on what I will do in the future but GOD......

The years tell what the days never knew.

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Taz
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Message 140 of 384 (514306)
07-06-2009 1:43 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Hill Billy
07-05-2009 6:47 PM


Hill Billy writes:
I've never been to the Bay of Fundy but I'll try to take this on.
Quite simply, GOD is unconstrained by time and therefore is aware of every life lived (and every choice made in that life) even before it is lived. Now I wouldn't trust you or any other human to judge me based on what I will do in the future but GOD......
So, in other words, you're saying that god was just to have the israelites murder every man, woman, child, and unborn babe in the lands they conquered.
Good job in making your god look like a homicidal maniac.

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Hill Billy
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Message 141 of 384 (514341)
07-06-2009 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Taz
07-06-2009 1:43 AM


So, in other words, you're saying that god was just to have the israelites murder every man, woman, child, and unborn babe in the lands they conquered.
No, it is not my place to judge what is just. That is GOD's thing. He judges. I may not like his judgment but it's his to make. After all, He made the whole frikkin universe. He made those laws of physics so many hold so dear. If humans held as close to his other laws, you know, love thy neighbor and such, It might not be such a stressful place to live here on earth.
Good job in making your god look like a homicidal maniac.
You mean a homicidal maniac like the state of Texas? Or the U.S. military machine? Or any other military, ever? You mean a homicidal maniac like those soldiers who murdered all those nice German folk back in WW2? When GOD passes judgment He doesn't mess around.
Taz, I believe you have some familierarity with the whole Bible story. Think back, the first death in history, a murder, by a man. This not long after eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. No excuses.
Seems to me that GOD doesn't want death for humans. Thats something we chose.
None of this seems that complicated to me.
Have a nice day and please.....
Drive safely.
Edited by Hill Billy, : No reason given.

The years tell what the days never knew.

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Perdition
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Message 142 of 384 (514343)
07-06-2009 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Hill Billy
07-06-2009 5:12 PM


I may not like his judgment but it's his to make.
Why?
After all, He made the whole frikkin universe.
Even supposing this is true (and there's no real reaosn to do so) why does that automatically make him RIGHT? The god, as described in the Bible, is not one I would want to follow. He is hypocritcal, fascist, contradictory, immoral, and overly concerned about my penis.
When someone says one thing but does the opposite, that makes me less likely to follow them, and when they command things that make no sense and in fact contradict other commands, I begin to question not only his motives, but his sanity. If god exists, he's paranoid perhaps suffering from multiple personality disorder.

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Theodoric
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Message 143 of 384 (514349)
07-06-2009 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Hill Billy
07-06-2009 5:12 PM


No, it is not my place to judge what is just. That is GOD's thing. He judges. I may not like his judgment but it's his to make. After all, He made the whole frikkin universe. He made those laws of physics so many hold so dear.
Sounds pretty fundy to me.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Coragyps
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Message 144 of 384 (514357)
07-06-2009 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Hill Billy
07-06-2009 5:12 PM


Think back, the first death in history, a murder, by a man. This not long after eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Cain ate that apple? I'll be damned - I thought it was his mama.

"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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Peg
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Message 145 of 384 (514370)
07-07-2009 2:35 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Perdition
07-06-2009 5:31 PM


Perdition writes:
When someone says one thing but does the opposite, that makes me less likely to follow them, and when they command things that make no sense and in fact contradict other commands, I begin to question not only his motives, but his sanity. If god exists, he's paranoid perhaps suffering from multiple personality disorder.
its not God whom you have to worry about, humans are far more vile and insane.
Psalm 106:35-38 "They went mingling with the nations and took up learning their works. And they kept serving their idols, and these came to be a snare to them. And they would sacrifice their sons and their daughters to demons. So they kept spilling innocent blood, the blood of their sons and their daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; and the land came to be polluted with bloodshed."

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Brian
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Message 146 of 384 (514371)
07-07-2009 2:54 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Coragyps
07-06-2009 9:02 PM


Cain ate that apple? I'll be damned - I thought it was his mama.
We all ate that fruit Coragyps.
*pedant alert* Bible doesn't say it was an apple.

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bluescat48
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Message 147 of 384 (514374)
07-07-2009 5:14 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by Peg
07-07-2009 2:35 AM


humans are far more vile and insane
Particularly when they kill in the name of God.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Brian
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Message 148 of 384 (514375)
07-07-2009 5:31 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by Peg
07-07-2009 2:35 AM


Double standards?
And they kept serving their idols, and these came to be a snare to them. And they would sacrifice their sons and their daughters to demons. So they kept spilling innocent blood, the blood of their sons and their daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; and the land came to be polluted with bloodshed."
Any external evidence to support this?
BTW, who says that child sacrifice is wrong? You are judging ancient cultures by modern day western ideals. There are cultures that did practice child sacrifice, but that was their tradition, their history, who are you to say what is right and wrong?
Anyway, how can ritual sacrifice even begin to compare to Joshua 6:21?
They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in itmen and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.
I suppose it is okay when it is done under Yahweh's request?

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Phat
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Message 149 of 384 (514407)
07-07-2009 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by GDR
10-26-2007 11:23 AM


I'm a pickin and I'm a choosin
anglagard writes:
A recent off-topic reply of mine at Message 155 has got me to thinking about how Biblical fundamentalists pick and choose what portions of the Bible that one should live by and what portions one is allowed to ignore.
I have noticed that according to Biblical Christians (using jar's term) one book in particular, Genesis, is considered literally inerrant, yet other books, such as Deuteronomy or Leviticus can just be ignored depending upon the personal whim of the fundie.
Why don't all fundamentalists of the literal and inerrant persuasion look like this guy? Online Bookstore: Books, NOOK ebooks, Music, Movies & Toys | Barnes & Noble®
So what gives? What is the rationale for worshiping each word in Genesis and ignoring what one does not like in Leviticus or Deuteronomy?
I have never believed that Genesis was word for word literal.
Jaderis writes:
Again, why do some Christians take up such arms against sins such as murder, theft, adultery and homosexuality, but brush aside sins such as working on the sabbath, back-talking your parents or eating unclean foods?
If Jesus came to fulfill all the laws and we are all sinners anyway in need of salvation through Jesus, what's all the hubbub about?
Good point. I don't even try to fulfill all laws...only ones that resonate within my conscience. I suppose in that regard, I am a pick and chooser. If it is midnight, and I am at a traffic light that is red, and no cars are in sight, I may run the light with no pangs of remorse. (treating it as a four way stop)That is picking and choosing my interpretation of that law. Legally, I am wrong. Practically, I followed my conscience.
the suspended spider writes:
what people choose to follow or not follow is a personal decision, between them and their god. the problem is that they just can't leave it like that for other
people.
I'm getting better at that!
PaulK writes:
They (Biblical Christians or Literalists) don't read for comprehension. They read to find things that back up their own beliefs.
I think that it is human nature to quote mine in order to support a point or line of reasoning. The problem is, as has been mentioned, that none of us have read the entire Bible in an unbiased attempt to understand the cultural context.
GDR writes:
The devastation of Jericho was carried out by people who wanted to justify their actions by saying that God had commanded their actions and they recorded it that way.
That's also my interpretation of it. Just because someone writes that God commands them to do thus and such is in no way proof that God was directly involved in the decision at all! And yes, I am interpreting text my own way...I am again picking and choosing. That's just how I roll. I discriminate which literature to quote in any given post because...well...that's how I express myself!
Edited by Phat, : spellcheck

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ochaye
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Message 150 of 384 (514408)
07-07-2009 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by Phat
07-07-2009 10:43 AM


The Winnie the Pooh Effect
'I have never believed that Genesis was word for word literal.'
Of course, you're a sensible guy. Four-year-olds pick this up when they hear of snakes talking.

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