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Topic: Pick and Choose Fundamentalism
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Message 139 of 384 (514280)
07-05-2009 6:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 35 by Taz
10-26-2007 2:47 PM
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Taz writes: denying the whole deity thing has made me a much better person now.
Got any supporting documentation?
I refuse continue to be hating bigot I used to be.
Really? Any chance you just found a new target group?
when my head explodes
Ah, that again.
Um, what about those 1 year olds who could barely walk? What about the unborn children and pregnant women? All them pro-life folks out there have been trying to make a case for the human status of a fetus (I believe the fetus IS a fully human being). What about those unborn children?
I've never been to the Bay of Fundy but I'll try to take this on. Quite simply, GOD is unconstrained by time and therefore is aware of every life lived (and every choice made in that life) even before it is lived. Now I wouldn't trust you or any other human to judge me based on what I will do in the future but GOD......
The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Message 141 of 384 (514341)
07-06-2009 5:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 140 by Taz
07-06-2009 1:43 AM
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So, in other words, you're saying that god was just to have the israelites murder every man, woman, child, and unborn babe in the lands they conquered.
No, it is not my place to judge what is just. That is GOD's thing. He judges. I may not like his judgment but it's his to make. After all, He made the whole frikkin universe. He made those laws of physics so many hold so dear. If humans held as close to his other laws, you know, love thy neighbor and such, It might not be such a stressful place to live here on earth.
Good job in making your god look like a homicidal maniac.
You mean a homicidal maniac like the state of Texas? Or the U.S. military machine? Or any other military, ever? You mean a homicidal maniac like those soldiers who murdered all those nice German folk back in WW2? When GOD passes judgment He doesn't mess around. Taz, I believe you have some familierarity with the whole Bible story. Think back, the first death in history, a murder, by a man. This not long after eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. No excuses. Seems to me that GOD doesn't want death for humans. Thats something we chose. None of this seems that complicated to me. Have a nice day and please..... Drive safely. Edited by Hill Billy, : No reason given.
The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Power. He who holds the power holds the judgement. How could it be otherwise?
why does that automatically make him RIGHT? It don't. Being right makes him right.
The god, as described in the Bible, is not one I would want to follow. One of the many beautiful gifts GOD bestowed upon us, the freedom to choose whom you follow.
He is hypocritcal, fascist, contradictory, immoral, and overly concerned about my penis. Yikes! Humans are famous for twisting scripture (or anything else for that matter) around to fit their own agenda. I wonder what is driving your agenda.
When someone says one thing but does the opposite, that makes me less likely to follow them, and when they command things that make no sense and in fact contradict other commands, I begin to question not only his motives, but his sanity. If god exists, he's paranoid perhaps suffering from multiple personality disorder. I get it. You want to be the judge. Have att'er. You get a few years to do pretty much whatever you want. After that..... I guess we'll see.
The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Sounds pretty fundy to me.
I wonder if you have any idea where the Bay of Fundy is.
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Message 157 of 384 (514435)
07-07-2009 2:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 144 by Coragyps
07-06-2009 9:02 PM
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Cain ate that apple? I'll be damned - I thought it was his mama.
My, aren't we a silly boy? Unless of course, you think of one generation as a really really long time. Pretty weak.
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Message 159 of 384 (514438)
07-07-2009 2:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 158 by Brian
07-07-2009 2:08 PM
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Oooh, thems fightin words!
A bit ironic isn't it when we consider that God is followed exclusively by robotic morons?
I guess that was meant as some sort of personal attack. Sad you didn't have the balls to single me out, instead you attack a group you think I fit in. Did you think I would be offended? Sorry.
There, sorted it for you. My, aren't you clever. I think I will try this tactic sometime, when I don't feel like engaging in a real discussion.
The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Message 161 of 384 (514444)
07-07-2009 3:08 PM
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Peg writes: humans are far more vile and insane.
Ya!
bluescat48 writes:
Particularly when they kill in the name of God.
Ya, I hate that shit! It's been a real long time since GOD participated in human politics. That hasn't stopped the death but it ain't GOD doin it. Thing is, the book says he's gonna get involved again in the future. Clean house so to speak. Not only do I believe it's true, I hope it's true. I'm gettin sick of people shootin at me, and stealin my frickin car, and burnin my house down ( likely some dastardly evilooshunist). I'm sick of people stealing babies and killin them. Sick of companies poisioning me then selling me the cure, that doesn't cure. People suck! Please Jesus, make it soon.
The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Message 163 of 384 (514447)
07-07-2009 3:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 160 by Brian
07-07-2009 2:53 PM
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Brian writes:
maybe you are a Christian. Wow, maybe you are clever!
I corrected your error Aah, guess not. I made no error in that statement.
edited
Your word not mine. I see you read not for comprehension but for ammunition. Yes, Christians are to blame for many horrible things. They are humans and like all humans, are in need of forgiveness. It's nice to have.
The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Message 169 of 384 (514773)
07-12-2009 2:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by anglagard
10-24-2007 3:09 AM
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on topic....for once
anglagard writes: What is the rationale for worshiping each word in Genesis and ignoring what one does not like in Leviticus or Deuteronomy?
None that I can think of. Personally I don't worship the bible. I save my worship for GOD. I don't ignore any part of the bible though some of it makes for difficult reading. I readily admit that much of this book escapes my understanding but from my reading I have found a great deal of what I consider to be truth. Enough that I have placed my trust in GOD. Some may think my trust is misplaced but it's my trust and I will put it wherever I please. That being said I'm still left making my own choices and living with the consequences. I seem to find the consequences much easier to live with when I try to include GOD in my choosing yet I still sometimes find myself making choices without GOD. One of the messages I get from the bible is that each and every human is going to make at least some real bad choices. Believing the bible is true does NOT make you immune from making bad decisions. But you already know that.
The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Message 170 of 384 (514774)
07-12-2009 2:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 162 by Brian
07-07-2009 3:32 PM
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Brian writes: Why are you in such a hurry to get to Hell?
I get how you want to be the judge, that you wish to decide where I go. I regret to inform you that the position has already been filled. Sound familiar?
The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Message 172 of 384 (514777)
07-12-2009 2:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 164 by Brian
07-07-2009 3:52 PM
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Brian writes: this religion of theirs has been an abomination on mankind.
Can you accurately define abomination?
Nothing else has plagued humanity as much as the follwers of this fairytale.
Seems a bit of a stretch to blame the followers. Perhaps the leaders?
Well, I don't think it is really fair to taint the human race by including Christians, but at a biological level I suppose they are.
Do I sense a little hostility here?
I think people only seek forgiveness if they have done something wrong,
I'm not sure I agree. I think most people do not seek forgiveness at all.
so we cannot put all humans into this category.
What? Am I understanding you? You believe there is a human who has never done anything wrong? Really? The ever elusive perfect human has been found? Cool.
The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Message 173 of 384 (514779)
07-12-2009 3:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 154 by Phat
07-07-2009 1:23 PM
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Re: Eternal Non-Living Matter Defined By Living Intelligence?
Phat
I admit that my belief is illogical. I wonder why you so readily admit this. Do you truly have "no idea" whether or not GOD exists? Are you certain that belief in GOD is illogical? Is logic the only measure of reality?
The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Message 175 of 384 (514781)
07-12-2009 3:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 171 by Brian
07-12-2009 2:54 PM
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Re: Boogey Man
Brian writes: liars without a conscience always do.
And judged they will be. But not by you.
The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Message 177 of 384 (514788)
07-12-2009 7:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 174 by Brian
07-12-2009 3:15 PM
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Brian, At first I was puzzled,
Do I sense a little hostility here?
Bewilderment would be more accurate. puzzled that someone who laid claim to so many definitive answers could also claim bewilderment. The answer was obvious! Please allow me to assist you in escaping this mental maze you find yourself trapped within. Now that you have acknowledged you have a problem we can seek the solution. The first step in escaping this maze is understanding that you are wrong. Your most basic premise is false. You blame GOD for the actions of humans, you blame religion for the actions of humans, you blame the bible or Christianity for the actions of humans. If you are to assign blame, assign it to the response able parties. Humans.
I'd say any decent person who has wronged someone, whether intentionally or not, would apologise and/or try to make up fpr what they have done.
Can't argue with this. I think I read somethin like that in the bible. My observation : Based on this definition, decent people seem to have been pretty much mutated right outta the gene pool.
although it would be difficult to imagine what a newborn baby would need to ask forgiveness for.
Sure. Is there not some sort of special dispensation for children is this bible? I'm sure you are more familiar than I. If not I'm sure some one can provide chapter and verse
What I meant is that there are people who, at this moment in time, have nothing to ask anyone's forgiveness for.
You state this as if it has some basis in reality. Ludicrous belief indeed.
I genuinely has no reason to ask for anyone's forgiveness.
I wonder if anyone in your life agrees. This of course is why you want the judge job, lest someone else convict you, no?
The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: 01-26-2008
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Message 205 of 384 (515147)
07-15-2009 9:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 178 by Brian
07-13-2009 10:39 AM
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Brian, you said
It’s having these answers that has led to the bewilderment.
Ya, now, if you had the correct answers the bewilderment would vanish.
I don’t recall saying I had problem.
Um, ok,
be⋅wil⋅dered completely puzzled or confused; perplexed.
puzzled to be perplexed or confused. to ponder or study over some perplexing problem or matter. Guess I misunderstood.
Brian writes: I don’t believe in God?
Then :
I blame humans too
Anybody else wondering? ......... you blame humans too....too?.......TOO??.... So, if not GOD then who? Other than humans, who do you blame?
Can't argue with this. I think I read somethin like that in the bible.
Whereabouts?
Right here Dude.
John 3:21....But those who do what is true come to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that their deeds have been done in God."
You know, like apologizing when wrong, that would be doing what is true.
My observation : Based on this definition, decent people seem to have been pretty much mutated right outta the gene pool.
Brian writes: Maybe in your vicinity but not here.
I wonder if your findings would be supported by independent peer review..........By your neighbors.
Brian writes: No, there’s no special dispensation for children
Hey, thanks for bringing us back on topic. There is actually, and there is a definite demarcation point. Old enough to hear, believe, repent, and confess. That's the cut off. Mark 16 16, Mathew 28:19, ect.. Before that, no worries. Innocence gets you an all access pass. And this brings us to the real topic of this thread. How can the slaughter of innocent children be justified? I'll be back shortly
The years tell what the days never knew.
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