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LucyTheApe

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Message 34 of 136 (514940)
07-14-2009 10:38 AM

Reply to: Message 28 by RAZD
07-13-2009 7:49 AM

Re: Irreducibly Complexity and a True Acid Test

RADZ writes:

Let's stick to the IC system in Barry Hall's experiment first, and then IF you can refute that an IC system did in fact evolve, we can discuss other IC systems.

RADZ, no-one knows how life works. What you are saying here is that because an organism rises after a kick in the guts that that it is a dimensioneless, undirected, random evolution. If God made orgamisms that had no ability to adjust then there would be no life at all. Did Hall's organism evolve into another kind of organism?

There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.

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LucyTheApe

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Message 37 of 136 (514944)
07-14-2009 11:27 AM

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07-14-2009 11:02 AM

Re: Irreducibly Complexity and a True Acid Test

traderdrew writes:

Essentially, it seems to me that an irreducibly complex system (that was already in place) was tinkered with and mutated into a similar irreducibly complex system.

But why tinker with a system that already knows how to deal with the situation Traderdrew, that's how it was designed.

Edited by LucyTheApe, : Spell

There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.

blz paskal

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LucyTheApe

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Message 38 of 136 (514945)
07-14-2009 11:49 AM

Reply to: Message 36 by Phage0070
07-14-2009 11:26 AM

Re: Irreducibly Complexity and a True Acid Test

Phage0070 writes:

A system which was thought to be irreducibly complex had an element removed, and it did not cease functioning but rather mutated into a working arrangement. Thus, it was proven not to be irreducibly complex.

We do the same thing with computer storage sytems, it seems miraculas but it's not. If you arrange a number of things in a certain order then it doesn't matter if one goes down. Consider the order 1,2,3,4,5 that's an arrangement. If 3 goes down then you can reconstruct it. That's the amazing reality of Reality.

All's it takes is a bit of intelligence.

Edited by LucyTheApe, : No reason given.

There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.

blz paskal

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LucyTheApe

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Message 43 of 136 (514950)
07-14-2009 12:07 PM

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07-14-2009 11:54 AM

Re: Irreducibly Complexity and a True Acid Test

Phage0070 writes:

Honestly I don't even know what, if anything, you were trying to get at there. Perhaps you could try again?

Ok, I'll try again Phagey. We have complete storage systems that know what has to be there. Not because it has it's own intelligence but, because that's they way they were programmed. When you turn on your computer, how does it know what to do?

There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.

blz paskal

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LucyTheApe

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Message 50 of 136 (514964)
07-14-2009 1:38 PM

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07-14-2009 12:11 PM

Re: Irreducibly Complexity and a True Acid Test

phage0070 writes:

When you turn on your computer it reads magnetic polarities off of a platter in your computer's hard drive. This storage system does not know what has to be there, rather it retrieves what we put there. Those polarities can and do become corrupted and that will cause the computer to function incorrectly.

Thanks Phagey. Smart aye? Intelligent design?

There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.

blz paskal

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LucyTheApe

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07-14-2009 1:53 PM

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07-14-2009 12:21 PM

Re: Irreducibly Complexity and a True Acid Test

traderdrew writes:

One of the many functions of so-called junk DNA is to mark genetic sites for programmed rearrangements of genetic material. ("The Role of Translocation and Selection" by Green)

Tradey, there is no such thing as junk DNA, there is no such thing as dark matter, and there is no such thing as dark energy.

Translocation and transcription are inherited intelligence.

There is nothing this lot can do to prove otherwise.
God's work is all around us.

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