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Author Topic:   According to the Bible, the entire Jewish religion is unwilling to do Gods will
themasterdebator
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Message 1 of 9 (515015)
07-14-2009 7:42 PM


16Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
16Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. 17If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.
John 7; NIV - Jesus Goes to the Festival of - Bible Gateway;
Now the key part here is that "If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own"
Note: In Context, the Will of God can't simply mean to follow Jesus, because that would make the entire statement logically flawed. It would read as "choose to believe in me and you will find out if you should believe in me.". Logically, it should be that someone should be making a choice to try and discern God's will.
This being taken to mean that anyone choosing to do Gods will will known if Jesus is telling the truth. Now, the problem here is people attempt to do God's will who both believe and disbelieve in Jesus. Now, the Jewish people certainly believe they are doing Gods will, they have chosen to do so and they think the Jesus does not exist. This creates somewhat of a predicament with the last line. Either
1. Every Jewish person in the last 2000 years has not chosen to try and follow Gods will.
2. Jesus is not from God, meaning his statements are not necessarily divine and true.
Expected rebuttals
The only one I can think of is covered in my Note. If Gods will is to believe in Jesus, then the entire statement would be logically flawed and would not make sense in the context. Jesus was talking to a group of Jewish people. He was saying to look to God to discern if Jesus's words are right or not. It would make no sense for him to tell the crowd to believe Jesus is doing Gods work before discerning if Jesus is doing Gods work.

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themasterdebator
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Message 5 of 9 (515168)
07-16-2009 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by purpledawn
07-15-2009 4:33 PM


Re: God's Will
I am going to need some clarification on your perspective purpledawn based on how you worded your responses. Do you believe the four Gospels are all fully accurate descriptions of Jesus's life? Because I can agree with your perspective if you are saying John wrote this with the intent of teaching the Greeks and not as fully accurate descriptions of Jesus's life, hence why I wrote "the Bible" instead of the book of John.
When you look at the story in context of the Bible, Jesus claims "my teachings aren't my own they come from the one who sent me" which would be claiming that Jesus was sent from God(unless you can provide someone else who would send him). He goes further to say that those doing God's will are able to see if Jesus was really sent by God. If the Jewish people are really intent on doing Gods will, then they would be able to see if Jesus is really sent be God.

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themasterdebator
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Message 8 of 9 (515555)
07-18-2009 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by purpledawn
07-16-2009 7:43 AM


Re: God's Will
Purple, then I have to ask, wouldn't that mean you are not putting your trust in God who guided the writers to infallibly write the Bible, but in flawed humans?

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