Pick and Choose Fundamentalism

If this is true then yahweh is even more evil than I thought!If this is true then what is the point of life?If this is true then Yahweh specifically made people knowing that they would burn in Hell.If this is true then there's no free will.If this is true then we don't need to seek God.If this is true then we have predestination.This idea that God knows what the future holds for all of us is a major flaw in Christianity, it really doesn't portray Yahweh in a good light at all. One reason for this is that it means that Yahweh set up the Fall.It also means that Yahweh knew who shot JR long before even the script writers.

LOL, all good Christians must kill their children NOW before they have a chance to go astray. They'd certainly be doing them a favour if God knew that the child would not repent when responsible enough to do so.Hill Billy vastly overestimates God's love.

I did not say he can do wrong, I said what would he have to do for you to believe he is wrong? Its a hypothetical question which I need answering before the debate can go any further. Now, if the answer is "there is nothing God could do for me to believe he can do wrong", then thats all I need to know to continue the debate.To clarify with an example, i don't believe gravity will cause to objects to repel, but if I started seeing objects pushing apart proportional to the gravitational formula I would rethink my viewpoints.Edited by themasterdebator, : No reason given.

1.) I am going to have to disagree that humans can't be aware of someones future. Infants and toddlers are always considering pure by any religion I am aware of, so killing them actually does bring them to the happiness of God. After all, innocence is "the original state of a human being". So why would it be immoral to kill little children if all you are doing is bringing them into heaven AND eliminating the risk they would go to hell(if they grow up they could turn away from God after all). Heck, even if God does forbid it, I would think the right thing to do would be to sacrifice your own soul for the sake of others souls?2.) This explanation does not make allot of sense when you consider that God consistently does not kill good people when they are at their best. Many people turn away from God at various points in their lives and never look back. No chance of repentance. If God wanted to save these people, he should be taking their mortal lives away before they turn away from him. Yet, this does not happen. Same could be said for those who are wicked and never plan on repenting. Why wait on judging them when he has already proven he will judge some people early? If nothing else, God would be consistent. He is timeless and unchanging, so his policies ought to be the same. If God's policies are different for some people(Caananites) then others(almost everyone else who) then those are not the policies of a perfect God. Any argument for his actions to the Caananites have to be equally applicable to everyone else.

So say that a human kills Ralph before Ralphs day of salvation/repentance...God would still "foreknow that Ralph would eventually repent had not he been killed by another human. So if God condemns Ralph for not yet repenting (since he was killed beforehand) doesnt that make God a bit stupid or evil?

This isn't a logical conclusion phat.If God knows who is going to repent, then it isn't possible for you to be killed before then.Not like Jim to make a mistake like that.

Hahahaha.I remember one of my philosophy professors asked a hard core christian if god could stomp his own toe. The christian thought about it for a moment and said he didn't think god would do that. People were like "that's not the question!" Good luck getting a straight answer out of peg on this one.This is one of the reasons why I stopped being a christian. You really have to lie to maintain your faith. Dodging a question is lying. Answering the wrong question is lying. And certainly, pretending not to understand your question is lying. They like to preach the rest of us morals and all of that, but they have no problem lying.

In fact, the best thing we could do is blow up the planet and kill everyone. Sure those of us who haven't repented are doomed, but all the children and other innocents are saved for eternity. It seems like a small enough price to pay...

Well, the thing is with this omniscient God is that everything in the future is already laid out before Him. He knows the day and the time and the mechanism that will bring all life on Earth to an end, so logically speaking He will have planned to have all those who are destined to repent already repented before we blew up the planet and killed everyone.Therefore no one innocent would perish, if you were going to repent then you would have to before you died, so maybe you have a good idea there!However, I wouldn’t mind another 30 or 40 years enjoying myself so don’t hatch your plan for a wee while yet if you don’t mind.Edited by Brian, : fixed quote box

Well, seeing as it's my soul I'm sacrificing, I think I'll wait until I'm on my deathbed before I hit the button, so no worries there.

Exactly.
You did reply to MY post.
You did NOT address ANYTHING in MY post.
You did quote a different writer from a different post.Master debator indeed.

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The years tell what the days never knew.

That's just a stupid question. I would have replied that I don't believe in an anthropomorphic God who would even have toes in the first place so the question is invalid.That's even worse than the non-sequitor, "Can God create a rock so heavy that he can't lift it?"I'm curious though why you say that Christians lie? Everybody has lied. That makes us all liars, so try not and get too high and mighty. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

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"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

I have questions regarding your ability to employ this process called thought.
Your writings seem to me to be more automatic emotional responses rather than thoughtful positions.
For example: And So, you THINK that foreknowledge and predestination are one in the same?
Really?
So in your world.......If I have foreknowledge that inserting a super heated steel rod in your rectum will cause intense pain,
and,
You choose to insert said red hot poker in your butt,
I am response able for your pain because I knew it was gonna happen?Hmmm.I suppose if I, before hand, informed you that it was gonna hurt if you stuck a red hot poker up you ass, you would accuse me of imposing an arbitrary law.It is becoming clear why you feel you don't need forgiveness. If you will not accept responsibility for your own choices then you need not seek forgiveness. Really? How so? This at least is true.

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The years tell what the days never knew.

If God knows, and I mean really knows, every minute detail of every thought we're going to have and every action we're going to take, how can we have free will?If God knows, before I'm even born, that on July 17th, 2009 at 5:35 pm Central Time, I will make a left-hand turn, do I then have the option of going to the right? Really? If I turned right, then God's knowledge would be wrong, and every thing he knew that was based on my turning left would be wrong, and in only a few instances, God wouldn't know Jack anymore.If he really knows, in the sense that he can't be wrong, then I don't have any real option of choosing counter to how God knows it will turn out.Do you or do you not understand how this is different from your example?The assigning God blame doesn't have to do with his foreknowledge, the assigning blame is from the fact that he created this universe with me in it, knowing I would never repent or believe. Why did he create me, if not to have me burn in Hell?

You make a good point save the fact that God, presumably, is omniscient and you aren't. You would be making an educated guess.God would have to be culpable for your disposition since he is the author of all of life. If God gave you an insatiable lust, but then instructed you not to act upon it, then what kind of sadist does that make God?How is that fair amd reasonable expectation?Our entire purpose for existing is to satisfy his ego. If all glory to God is the ultimate goal, which according to the bible it is, then, again, how does that not make him a sadist?

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"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson