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Author Topic:   Evolutionary Theory Explains Diversity
Theodoric
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Message 68 of 160 (515981)
07-22-2009 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by interrelation
07-22-2009 1:06 PM


OK lets get down to basics
Do you understand what a scientific theory is? Do you understand that TOE is a scientific theory?
Please tell me what you think the definitions of theory and scientific theory are. Maybe then there might be something to go on and maybe I can then understand where the disconnect is.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 71 of 160 (515992)
07-22-2009 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by interrelation
07-22-2009 1:22 PM


Re: OK lets get down to basics
I understand what scientific theory is.
Telling me you know what one is doesn't mean your definition is correct.
Please tell me what your working definition of it is. If we do not have the same definition then we can not debate.
Please tell me what you understand the definition to be.
Therefore, it is incomplete scientific theory...that means wrong.
What makes it incomplete and what makes it wrong? Do you have any other evidence or arguments than your own? Can you cite any other evidence other than what you claim?

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Theodoric
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Message 78 of 160 (516165)
07-23-2009 5:51 PM
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07-23-2009 5:40 PM


Re: OK lets get down to basics
I am not going to watch some Youtube video.
I can only assume that you do not know what a scientific theory is. You seem to be unable to define it. Until you can show you have a basic understanding of something like Scientific Theory, then there is no sense in having any discussion with you on this topic.
You have a hypothesis( actually I don't think it even qualifies as that). It is not a scientific theory. If you think it is, you are sadly delusional. TOE is a Scientific theory. Something very different from your theory. No matter what you think they are not on the same ground.
Here is a basic primer on laws, hypothesis and theory. As understood in the scientific world.
quote:
Scientific Law: This is a statement of fact meant to describe, in concise terms, an action or set of actions. It is generally accepted to be true and universal, and can sometimes be expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. Scientific laws are similar to mathematical postulates. They don’t really need any complex external proofs; they are accepted at face value based upon the fact that they have always been observed to be true.
Specifically, scientific laws must be simple, true, universal, and absolute. They represent the cornerstone of scientific discovery, because if a law ever did not apply, then all science
based upon that law would collapse.
Some scientific laws, or laws of nature, include the law of gravity, Newton's laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics, Boyle's law of gases, the law of conservation of mass and energy, and Hook’s law of elasticity.
Hypothesis: This is an educated guess based upon observation. It is a rational explanation of a single event or phenomenon based upon what is observed, but which has not been proved. Most hypotheses can be supported or refuted by experimentation or continued observation.
Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

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Theodoric
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Message 157 of 160 (519105)
08-11-2009 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by greentwiga
08-11-2009 10:36 AM


Re: Mitochondrial Eve
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These Homo species were culturally conservative, but after 50,000 BP modern human culture started to change at a much greater speed. Jared Diamond, author of The Third Chimpanzee, and other anthropologists characterize this as a "Great Leap Forward."
Well this does not support "as if" or "overnight". Did the pace of development improve? Yes. Dramatically? Yes. But what they are trying to say is things sped up dramatically, RELATIVE to the pace prior.
You are making this much more than it is. You are agin trying to alter reality to match the flaws in your beliefs and religion. This is not science. It is apologetics and manipulation of facts.

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