Pick and Choose Fundamentalism

I think it must be a genuine repentance, this was one error that undermined Pascal's wager.Re a new thread. I am going to be scarce here for the next few weeks, I have a funeral on Saturday, on Monday I go to Madeira for a week, then I have an essay on the Oldowan industry in the late Plioscene due the following week. So busy times ahead.That might give HB time to read a book on an introduction to Philosophy.

Okay, so mankind made its decision, why doesn't God just f*ck off and leave us alone then?

According to the Bible they did.Unless your cult's ()Bible is different from everyone elses?

But if God has not repented we would not know anything about Him, so you couldn’t WANT His rulership because you would not know about it. Well since it was God that messed up the near perfection of the Garden, don’t you think He would have been better keeping Himself to Himself? Christians have been saying for nearly 2000 years that the Kingdom will come soon, it isn't going to happen.It really is a very silly faith Peg, it makes no sense at all. Logically speaking it is so full of holes that mankind should have catalogued Christianity alongside all the other myths, it eally is that bad.Look at what it says.6000 or so years ago God created the universe, He placed naive humans in a near perfect garden and told them to obey Him or else something bad would happen. Now these humans had no idea what ‘bad’ meant, so they went ahead and did the one thing they weren’t to do. That one thing was to eat a fruit that imparrted knowledge to the person that ate it, and only AFTER they ate it did they know what ‘bad’ meant. Already we have ludicrous claims and we haven’t really got into christian thought.For a start, we have a God who knows that His creation will fail the test, he has set up the scenario Himself, He placed the ‘loaded gun’ right next to them. He told them that to disobey was bad and they had no idea what ‘bad’ meant. Then what did He do? The very first time His chidlren disobeyed Him (completely innocently of course), He takes a big huff and kicks them out of the Garden. When we consider what the parents of drug addicts do for their addicted children we can see how evil God is already.Then what do we get?God makes such a poor job of creating humans that He wipes almost all of them out and starts again! What a failure He is.Then when He realises that He has been a moron he comes up with a plan, which is even more moronic.God says I know what I will do, I will send myself to Earth and the humans will have to sacrifice me to me to make things okay with me and them again! How can any sane person take this seriously, it isn’t even remotely believable, it is riddled with logical errors.
You know it gets even more ridiculous when we look at the apparent incarnation of God. His followers have to tell so many lies for Him, they rip prophecies out of context, their lies even negate Jesus bloodline and still Christians ignore the biblical evidence. Jesus Himself told so many lies that if He did exist He had to be either insane or a compulsive liar. Jesus freed israel that much that they were even more persecuted than ever before, an utter failure as a messiah. We haven’t abandoned Him, there are Christians in probably every country in the world. That doesn’t resemble reality though Peg where the number of Christians has been dropping rapidly. Unless, of course, Allah is the true God since Muslims now outnumber Christians. Yes, the world has been hearing this for 2000 years, and in another 2000 years there will still be morons waiting for it to happen. That’s if the religious freaks haven’t wiped us all out before then.

The problem is that there are two different accounts of the Exodus woven together in the Bible.Perosnally, I think that your reference could be to the request to pharaoh by the elders and Moses to have a 3 day festival in the desert dedicated to Yahweh.At Ex. 3:18
"The elders of Israel will listen to you. Then you and the elders are to go to the king of Egypt and say to him, 'The LORD, the God of the Hebrews, has met with us. Let us take a three-day journey into the desert to offer sacrifices to the LORD our God.' They have to ask pharaoh if they (the Elders and Moses) to make a three day journey to offer sacrifices. Now if this was permission to leave for the promised land it would take a lot longer than 3 days.It is then reinforced at Exodus 5:1 Afterward Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and said, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Let my people go, so that they may hold a festival to me in the desert.' " Again they are only asking to go worship Yahweh in the desert.And in 5:3 Then they said, "The God of the Hebrews has met with us. Now let us take a three-day journey into the desert to offer sacrifices to the LORD our God, or he may strike us with plagues or with the sword." In Exodus 10:10-11 Pharaoh said, "The LORD be with youif I let you go, along with your women and children! Clearly you are bent on evil. No! Have only the men go; and worship the LORD, since that's what you have been asking for." And I think that this could fit in perfectly with 12:31.I think that pharaoh gave Moses and Aaron permission to take every Israelite into the desert for 3 days to worship and AFTER they had left I think the pharaoh realised he had been conned, and this is why he sent his armies after the Israelites.This hypothesis would account for the obvious contradictions in the texts.If we look at Exodus 11:2 we see that the people were to have enough tome to ask their neighbours for gold and silver:Tell the people that men and women alike are to ask their neighbors for articles of silver and gold. Then 12:35-36 seems to support this relaxed approach: The Israelites did as Moses instructed and asked the Egyptians for articles of silver and gold and for clothing. The LORD had made the Egyptians favorably disposed toward the people, and they gave them what they asked for; so they plundered the Egyptians. So, they appear to have taken their time in preparing to leave.They even had time to arm themselves and to go collect the bones of Joseph:Exod 13:18-19 So God led the people around by the desert road toward the Red Sea. The Israelites went up out of Egypt armed for battle.
Moses took the bones of Joseph with him because Joseph had made the sons of Israel swear an oath. He had said, "God will surely come to your aid, and then you must carry my bones up with you from this place." Over against these narratives are the ones that claim the Israelites left in a hurry.12:39 for example apparently the Israelites didn't have time bake bread: With the dough they had brought from Egypt, they baked cakes of unleavened bread. The dough was without yeast because they had been driven out of Egypt and did not have time to prepare food for themselves. So, according to this tradition the Israelites were driven out.However, there is a different tradition woven into the account that conflicts with this image.At Exodus 14:5 we find:When the king of Egypt was told that the people had fled, Pharaoh and his officials changed their minds about them and said, "What have we done? We have let the Israelites go and have lost their services!"This tradition tells us that the Israelites had fled, and without pharaoh's knowledge!The titles 'pharaoh' in 12:31 and 'King of Egypt' 14:5 is just one clue that these are different traditions.I sat one day in the library and unpicked the two accounts, but that was a while ago and I have no idea where it is now.But, as far as this argument goes, Exodus 14 tells us that the Israelites fled from Egypt.And, to be pedantic, I would imagine that the Israelites did flee from pharaoh's armies.

Yes it is.For the last 2000 years, Christians have been expecting the Jesus to return soon, He hasn’t. Where did Moses wrote about the Messiah?Many prophets wrote about this, but the Messiah clearly hasn’t been yet. None of the promise has happened, so why should any of it? Yes, 6 days before He created Man. So, 6000 years and 6 days.But to even clain that mankind is only 6000 years old is perverse. It gives a ‘history’, not accurate of course, but it also tells of the creation of the stars and heavens. You know, you would go to any lengths to maintain his fantasy, even to the very point of denying that God is omniscient.Are you really saying that there is something that God does not know? There is no such thing as free will.If God didn’t want them to eat the fruit why didn’t He stick the tree on another continent, or better still, not even create the tree.Anyway, they didn’t even know they were doing anything wrong, since they had no knowledge of good or evil. Well, much to the amusement of us atheists here, we have been reading the exchange between the ‘Christians’ regarding this doctrine. You lot cannot even agree what the Bible says about this, so what chance do we have? All this does is to reinfirce the point that Christianity is a real mess. They didn’t reject their messiah, he hasn’t been born yet. If the Messiah had been born then Israel’s enemies would have been swept from her, and God’s throne would be set up in Jerusalem. Jesus acheived nothing, not a king, not a messiah, not much really. I wasn’t blaming Jesus, just pointing out one reason why He was no messiah. Yes, a short time to God, begs the question why God would talk to us using His time and not ours. Yet another error.