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caffeine Member (Idle past 1025 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
Since I've always done those simple experiments to many animals that I've encountered to see how they behaved in their life. And one conclusion had only been around: organisms change or interrelate by the mechanism of biotic preservaton and not natural selection. Nailing the TOE on its own coffin. For an experiment to make us favour one hypothesis or theory over another, it would have to be testing something where the two different ideas predict different results. You’ve claimed several times that your experiments have demonstrated ‘interrelation theory’ to be a better explanation than the theory of evolution. So, for this to be true, the results would have to, in some way, match the predictions of interrelation theory while differing from the predictions of evolutionary theory. Let’s consider, then, what results we’d expect for these experiments from an evolutionary perspective. The theory of evolution states that heritable traits which increase a lifeform’s ability to produce successful offspring will spread in populations, so we’d expect most lifeforms to exhibit traits that aid in their survival and reproduction (at least in their usual environments). We know that (most) plants need sunlight in order to survive. Evolutionary theory predicts that plants better able to extract energy from sunlight will be more reproductively successful, and so plant populations will exhibit traits which have made them good at getting access to sufficient sunlight. What we see in your experiment is that the plant with little direct sunlight will react by growing further, possibly enabling it to reach sunlight. This is a plant exhibiting a trait which increases its ability to reach sunlight, and thus survive and reproduce. The results of the experiment are perfectly in line with evolutionary theory. Animals need to survive long enough to reach reproductive age before they can leave any offspring. Once they have, the longer they survive the more they can usually produce. For species like rats that care for their young, their continued survival also increases the survival chances of their offspring. From all this, evolutionary theory would predict that animals, generally speaking, exhibit traits that cause them to avoid mortal danger (except when necessary for a ‘higher cause’ like mating). Your experiment shows that a rat’s reaction to a physical threat from a big lumbering thing with a stick is to frantically try and escape, preserving its life. This is exactly what evolutionary theory predicts. Now, I’m not trying to claim that these experiments demonstrate evolutionary theory to be accurate, just that they cannot be used to debunk it. Maybe the results of these experiments accurately match the predictions of your interrelation theory. But then they also fit the predictions of the theory of evolution. As a result, these experiments are useless when it comes to testing which theory has the better explanatory and predictive power.
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interrelation Member (Idle past 5361 days) Posts: 31 From: Japan Joined: |
Here is my working definition of theory. This is where I follow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL5GotAVN58
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
I am not going to watch some Youtube video.
I can only assume that you do not know what a scientific theory is. You seem to be unable to define it. Until you can show you have a basic understanding of something like Scientific Theory, then there is no sense in having any discussion with you on this topic. You have a hypothesis( actually I don't think it even qualifies as that). It is not a scientific theory. If you think it is, you are sadly delusional. TOE is a Scientific theory. Something very different from your theory. No matter what you think they are not on the same ground.
Here is a basic primer on laws, hypothesis and theory. As understood in the scientific world.
quote: Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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interrelation Member (Idle past 5361 days) Posts: 31 From: Japan Joined: |
Since nothing in your post is even close to coherent and since you seem unable or unwilling to address what is being said to you, I will leave you to your delusions of grandeur. Clearly nothing I say will make the slightest impact on you and any further effort on my part to help you see through these delusions will be wasted effort. You appear to be beyond help. I can only reiterate my suggestion that you abandon your silly ideas and go and get an education and, perhaps, a psychiatric examination. Every things you said had impact on me. But I am also thinking for a better explanation. But anyway, thank you.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Let me ask a simple question. Where are the actual mechanisms ? You talk about your various mechanisms but only about their alleged effects. Not about the mechanisms themselves.
Why should we assume your "Biotic Preservation Mechanism" when the evidence supporting it can be explained (at least) as well as an outcome of natural selection ? Surely we need direct evidnece for your proposed mechanism - not simply effects which you attribute to it. The same goes for your "Lineage Continuation Mechanism". What is the mechanism and where is the evidence for it ? And exaclty the same goes for your "Advantageous Properties Mechanism". No actual mechanism, nor evidence for any actual mechanism. It is not even clear what your "Maturity Sequence Mechanism" is, since it seems to mainly refer to ageing and death (maybe extinction) yet the example you offer is the immune system fighting infection (surely that is an example of your "APM" - adaption to meet environmental conditions ?). And again you offer no explanation of evidence for any actual mechanism. Rather it seems to be a whole bunch of mechanisms bundled up together.
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interrelation Member (Idle past 5361 days) Posts: 31 From: Japan Joined: |
Hi again interrelation, I'm still wondering when you will ever deal with the facts of evolution. But the question is -- did you do the same experiment with plants - see ifthey avoided the stick? If they don't, and the mechanism is really a process to avoid death,then should not plants exhibit the same behavior? Did you do it with bacteria? With sponges? Starfish? Coral? Opossums? Turtles? Hi RAZD, sorry that I'm late in my reply. I was very busy on this days. In plants? Yes, some vegetables garden. I've just watched them the way I've watchedthe mongo beans. They had the same results. Plants don't avoid stick since plants can't move. You knew it already,it is very obvious. But there are some plants that I've experimented that when you touched their leaves, they folded down. I hope I can give the name to you, but I will try to search it here in my place. I knew the name in my local name but I forgot the name in English. Next time , I can give it you. The result is the same...Interrelation. Not yet in bacteria, but the nylon-eating bacteria did interrelate as seen in lab.With sponges? Not yet. Starfish? Not yet. Coral? Not yet. Opossums? Not yet. Turtles? Yes. It tried to hide its head when threaten. Except that you did not test Darwin's concepts nor TOE in any way. If you don't know that then you know squat about evolution. What you have done is test individual organisms to see if they react to their environment -- curiously the ability of life to react to it's environment is one of the defining elements of living things. You are correct that "the ability oflife to react to it's environment is one of the defining elements of living things" and that is the reason why I had usd the biotic preservation mechanism as the main mechanism of Interelation Theory beacsue that it should be. We know it by test and experiment. In this, I've proved that I'm right. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- You have proven that living organisms exhibit one of the defining elements of living things. WOW. I've proven that all living things made life as "first" priority.
You have also shown, yet have not seemed to have observed, is that the methods used by different organisms to react to their environment are different, due to their different evolution. Of course, but there is a sequence..a pattern. That isthe reason why time mechanism is very important. Even the living organisms too knew the difference between the "needs" and the "wants" for them. They need life, they want food. Which is first? Life first, then food.Look at the rats again. Let's use a mousetrap. If the rats sense danger, eventhough the food is too delicious for them, they fled leaving food. (Wow, I did it many times in our house since we had many pests (rats). This is a pattern...a time mechanism.This is a simple of pattern in time mechanism. Except for the minor detail that your experiments have zilch, zero, nada, zip, rien, nothing to do with natural selection. Why? Because it doesn't test for the differential preservation of different inherited traits from one generation to the next within a population. You don't have a population. You don't have a generation. All you have is sadistically tormenting small animals for no apparent purpose. Eventhough you have population, eventhough you have generation, eventhough you havemillion years, TOE will never make it. Why? Since TOE had forgotten time mechanism. Time mechanism kills TOE. Now lets look at some more of you silly concepts: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Time mechanism actually limits or kills diversification. That means, time kills TOE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And again, when we look at the evidence this is not what we see. The previous example of pelycodus starts with a population with a variety of sizes, and after time has passed ends up with a wider variety of sizes split into two distinct populations. This diagram actively shows evolution occurring:......... .......Looks to me like the organisms thrived over time,increasing in diversity, and with no apparent limit. Ok, it is very easy. In TOE, the above explanation maybe correct. But in Interrelation Theory, the graph that had been presented is the graphof Interrelation Theory. The graph was telling us that in the process of their interrelation to the environmenet and surroundings with respect to time, those lemurs were changing. But very limited. And gradually changing since the earth geological phase was very slow. What Interrelation Theory said in the time mechanism is that the lemur will nevercross on its base species. Base species is the species that were designed by CIO to live and interrelate with the respect to time (era) and surroundings. Those lemurs were still lemurs. Their change was very limited.And they changed by the process of BPM. So, we are still talking Interrelation Theory here.
Can you show where on the side scale (the one that shows time) where time is being ignored? If you could see Interelation Theory web site, it talks aboutTime Mechanism, the MSM there. To make it short, nature has her own pattern of any stages,that if that pattern breaks, the whole system fails. For example, let us look at the human embryo... The fetus has a pattern, a change, a time sequence and stages. From the time of sexual intercourse (release of gamete),this fetus with respect to time is following a pattern/stages but fetus follows a certain fixed and pre-set pattern with time. But if you could see, this fetus will never break its pattern in all child-bearing mother's embryo. If it breaks, the child will die. The pattern is the same to all human embryo, but the changeswill only/limited to the sizes, weight, exact duration of stages and maybe position of fetuses with respect to all fetuses in all human embryos. The fetus has a fixed or limited stages with respect to timeand the change is permissible change of fetus to every embryo to survive. This is one explanation in time mechanism in Interrelation Theory. (I had here in my mind clearly but I could hardly put itin words in English. Maybe I need to rephrase the above explanation so that all could understand) (Or somebody here could rephrase it for us, if you understand the concept of time mechanism, please). So in the above picture, the ignored part is time: that the change of lemur(like the change of fetus) is inevitable, but this change had a limit. This is the ignored part.
What causes the limitation? Once you have speciation you have two populations that increase variations over time, and different natural selection (the real kind) operating on the two different populations with necessarily different results -- necessarily different because (a) the mutations that provide opportunity for increased survival and reproduction will necessarily be different and (b) because the ecology that is imposing a selective filter on what organisms survive and reproduce better than other is also necessarily different. Diversity by TOE is inevitable. It is specifically predicted by the theory,And it is observed in reality. What causes of the limitations? The natural processes or patterns or stagesof cells in all living forms are the limitations. I say cells because I suspect that cells was the one which is doing it. My observation tells me that nature, to preserve life, has pre-set and has fixed process but it has also allowable and permissible factor of change. The CIO is very intelligent since while the process or pattern in nature is fixed and irreversible, the process can accumulate limited (allowable) change as factor of safety of that pattern or process, and when this process breaks or when the changes exceeds, the system will fail. Thus, no preservation of life. What the TOE had been seeing is the only the "allowable or limited change with respect to time"of the pre-set pattern or stages. That means, in reality, the actual definition of evolution would be "Evolution is the allowable or limited change in any process/stage in ansystem withrespect to time" but since evolution is only a limited change in the system, evolution is not the purpose of the system nor not the system at all. Therefore if TOE will forget the time mechanism, TOE will become the whole system,an not the limited part in the system. Now, "whole" and "part" is different. Like square and cube is different. Did you get me?
A true scientist would go back to the drawing board. Actually a true scientist would never get to your drawing board - they would learn the facts first, and study evolution rather than beat up the neighbors cats and dogs. I knew it. I've been going back to my drawing board and found out alwaysthat TOE is wrong since it ignored the time mechanism. Sadly for you genetics shows that your concept is codswallop. Preserved in DNA are small inserts caused by viral infections that have been deactivated by the surviving cells, these insertions are passed on to following generations because (a) they are there and (b) they do not affect survival, reproduction or development of the organisms. There is also absolutely no rational reason for exactly the same insertion of exactly the same kind of virus in exactly the same sequence from one individual to another, let alone from one species to another. When these inserts are compared between the genomes of different species they show atree of hereditary relationship that logically only comes via common descent from the individual with the original infection. Fascinatingly this tree of relationship matches that previously derived from thehomologies in the fossil record. Amazingly they even extend back to the original life forms, with the three major domains of life, archea, bacteria and eucharyota. Yeah, the above explanaton fits the TOE. But, Interrelation Theory has an explanation for that. In Interrelation Theory, theAPM mechanism is responsible for that. In short, the inserts were the results of the fights between virus and the cells, and the inserts were actually the "scars" left in fight. I mean, all living organisms to survive had a defense mechanism as stated in my AdvantageousProperties Mechanism. And if we could find it in two different species, in the same place, then, this virus, on the history of these two species, attacked the two species, on the same time/era! That means, the two species had no common descent! The viral infections were telling it so!
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interrelation Member (Idle past 5361 days) Posts: 31 From: Japan Joined: |
So basically, what you're saying is that natural selection is unnatural? Interesting choice of words, I must say. No wonder it doesn't make sense. Anyway, I would like to see you describe your BPM in a little more detail.If it's a mechanism, there must be details you can describe. How exactly does it work? Can it be influenced in some way, with chemicals, drugs, or whatever? Does it have a basis in molecular biology? Are there certain organelles in the cells that regulate its expression? Please, tell us. Thanks for the question. Yes, TOE's natural selection is really unnatural. I don't know if you had read this: Biotic Preservation Mechanism (BPM) is a mechanism in where all individual organismin a given population interrelates due to the fact that their "life" or "existence" is very important to them. In short, there is the need for all individual organisms to preserve and protect their life, as an individual and as an entity. There is also that force, the biotic preservation force that triggers all individual organisms to interrelate just to survive. This is the reason why in our observable nature, all living things interrelates . This is a behavioral mechanism. Influence in some ways? Yes, possible. Basis in molecular biology? No, Behavioral biology, I think is OK. Not molecular.The other mechanism of Interrelation Theory will. Organelles in cells? maybe not, but in other mechanism, I think it is OK.
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interrelation Member (Idle past 5361 days) Posts: 31 From: Japan Joined: |
No, what makes a theory wrong is contradictory evidence, like the evidence of pelycodus and foraminifera (just for starters) that totally invalidate your concept. Now you have shown that you don't understand natural selection, evolution, life, biology, science, the scientific process and logic. What's next? Yes, a theory can be considered wrong by contradictory evidence. And the cause of this contradictory evidence is that TOE is incomplete in the light of new evidence. TOE ignores time...just like flat-earthers ignore the pictures of earth from space, from moon!
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interrelation Member (Idle past 5361 days) Posts: 31 From: Japan Joined: |
For an experiment to make us favour one hypothesis or theory over another, it would have to be testing something where the two different ideas predict different results. You've claimed several times that your experiments have demonstrated Interrelation theoryEto be a better explanation than the theory of evolution. So, for this to be true, the results would have to, in some way, match the predictions of interrelation theory while differing from the predictions of evolutionary theory. Let's consider, then, what results we expect for these experiments from an evolutionaryperspective. The theory of evolution states that heritable traits which increase a lifeform ability to produce successful offspring will spread in populations, so wed expect most lifeforms to exhibit traits that aid in their survival and reproduction (at least in their usual environments). It is correct that in living organisms they have heritable trait butit doesn't mean that this trait will be the factor in the origin of new organisms or species. It is wrong to conclude that. You can read my response to RAZD, for further explanation.
We know that (most) plants need sunlight in order to survive. Evolutionary theory predicts that plants better able to extract energy from sunlight will be more reproductively successful, and so plant populations will exhibit traits which have made them good at getting access to sufficient sunlight. What we see in your experiment is that the plant with little direct sunlight will react by growing further, possibly enabling it to reach sunlight. This is a plant exhibiting a trait which increases its ability to reach sunlight, and thus survive and reproduce. The results of the experiment are perfectly in line with evolutionary theory. Of course, you can call the result evolution by natural selection. But as InterrelationTheory states that the reason why the plant and all plants are struggling to live and struggling to change (interrelate) in nature is that because of biotic preservation mechanism, BPM and not the natural selection. And the reason why we cannot rely now in TOE is just because TOE had anincomplete mechanisms. Incomplete mechanisms will result in incomplete explanation, that will result in incomplete and therefore, erroneous theory in science. [qs]Animals need to survive long enough to reach reproductive age beforethey can leave any offspring. Once they have, the longer they survive the more they can usually produce. For species like rats that care for their young, their continued survival also increases the survival chances of their offspring. From all this, evolutionary theory would predict that animals, generally speaking, exhibit traits that cause them to avoid mortal danger (except when necessary for a ‘higher causeElike mating). Your experiment shows that a rat’s reaction to a physical threat from a big lumbering thing with a stick is to frantically try and escape, preserving its life. This is exactly what evolutionary theory predicts.{/qs Well, what should I say. In TOE perspective maybe you are correct. Of course, you can call the result evolution by natural selection. But as InterrelationTheory states that the reason why the plant and all plants are struggling to live and struggling to change (interrelate) in nature is that because of biotic preservation mechanism, BPM and not the natural selection. And the reason why we cannot rely now in TOE is just because TOE had anincomplete mechanisms. Incomplete mechanisms will result in incomplete explanation, that will result in incomplete and therefore, erroneous theory in science. Now, I’m not trying to claim that these experiments demonstrate evolutionary theory to be accurate, just that they cannot be used to debunk it. Maybe the results of these experiments accurately match the predictions of your interrelation theory. But then they also fit the predictions of the theory of evolution. As a result, these experiments are useless when it comes to testing which theory has the better explanatory and predictive power. I think it is time mechanism that separates TOE from Interrelation Theory.Of course, Interrelation Theory had still three mechanisms to offer. Of course, you can call the result evolution by natural selection. But as InterrelationTheory states that the reason why the plant and all plants are struggling to live and struggling to change (interrelate) in nature is that because of biotic preservation mechanism, BPM and not the natural selection. And the reason why we cannot rely now in TOE is just because TOE had anincomplete mechanisms. Incomplete mechanisms will result in incomplete explanation, that will result in incomplete and therefore, erroneous theory in science.
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interrelation Member (Idle past 5361 days) Posts: 31 From: Japan Joined: |
You mistake a motive for a mechanism. Your rat has a motive for squeezing through an impossibly tiny hole, but that doesn't supply a "how" unless rat wishes come true. Now, the rat's stress may cause it to suffer an increased, nervous metabolism, loss of appetite, and weight reduction. There you have a mechanism: anxiety. Well, since it is life that the rat was protecting, then, it must bebiotic preservation mechanism. Nothing else, nothing more. Nonetheless, this is not the point at which one reaches a grand conclusion; aka, THEORY. One says to themselves, "Self, Is there a possible connection with this rat's predicable behavior to cellulose impactor events (CIE)'s (Just trying to make my post all sciency like yours) and the long term variation in rat populations? What might that connection be and how could that connection be made observable?" If one manages to concoct a mechanism, one makes predictions of unique, observable, sufficient and necessary outcomes to which one can tailor experiments that can make plain the connection. Not wishing to die is a wee bit too ubiquitous to be considered unique, sufficient or necessary. Congrat's, professional dude, you achieved observable. What you are asking me are some details. I understand it. But the main job for me is tomake a right mechanisms and theory for the observed facts in nature. The rests will be details. Of course there are connections since in Interelation Theory, there are all in all four mechanisms that go hand in hand with each others. So, to clear those details out are very simple. First, let's build the house. After that, the furnishing and finishings.
You also keep making the strange argument that proponents of the ToE don't know, don't care, or don't concur about rat responses to (CIE)'s I think it's safe to say we all respond negatively to (CIE)'s and therein recognize the impetus for the rat to seek lodgings elsewhere. Yeah, there will be some similarity in TOE. But in Interrelation Theory, "life" is thepurpose of all living organisms that is why the main mechanism is biotic preservation mechanisms BPM. But in TOE, it is the opposite. TOE believes that natural selection is the main mechanism for rats to change, while in Interrelation Theory, it is the will to survive or BPM cause those rats to change. It is the opposite, right? The starting point is totally opposite.
You also have to rid yourself of the silly notion of the more mechanisms the better. Newton reduced planetary motions to a single mechanism. Anyone want to add a Revolution Preservation Mechanism (RPM). {I can hear the conservation of angular momentum crowd even now. Well, shut-up.}{ And before any of you don't shut-up, I know that orbital deflection is not a conserved property but continually induced by gravity. So my little joke doesn't really work if given any consideration, So I'll not make it in stand-up; well, boo-hoo.} Thanks. You made me laugh. Have you never notice that we don't now believe that the earth is flat and the sun revolvesaround the earth? Why? Because we are looking for new mechanisms that fit the facts. The more we have mechanisms in the complex living organisms, the morewe can see the actual happening and the actual observable facts in nature. Planetary motions, angular momentum, orbital deflection,.etc...they are different fromliving organisms. So we need to deal them separately. Three dimesions is better than two dimensions. Ever hear of the Law of Parsimony: Occam's razor. My own corollary states one event has one mechanism. ToE has two parts; thus, two mechanisms. Part one: Variation. Part two: Selection. Mechanism one: Imperfect Replication. Mechanism two: Limited Resources. Sufficient and necessary. I knew that. But four mechanisms is not too much in the living organisms.Why? Here's why: evolution is the change in time. Since TOE does not have time mechanism eventhough its definition requiree itin its definition, TOE is incorrect. So time actually kills TOE. You have no new ideas at your website. You've named a few ideas that have been floating around. Your CIO, or whatever, is the same as the Noah's ark boy's "kinds" claim. Your "time" thingy is merely a claim to having "discovered" a mechanism to limit the evolution you're forced to admit. Watch this: "Hey look guys, an 8th continent." Okay, who believed me? 'cause I didn't really discover an 8th continent.I was only pretending. Try it for yourself EOh yeah! That's right. You already did. I can say that too to TOE. But I think you need to study more on time mechanism,yeah, just for your own new learning. Once you've seen what I've seen, you will surely know that I am correct. Well, eventhough you cannot accept this theory, I don't care. Even so, Interrelation Theory is still there, observable and yestable. Pleae, read my reply to RAZD. I think you will know this theory a little bit.
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interrelation Member (Idle past 5361 days) Posts: 31 From: Japan Joined: |
am not going to watch some Youtube video. I can only assume that you do not know what a scientific theory is. You seem to be unable to define it. Until you can show you have a basic understanding of something like Scientific Theory, then there is no sense in having any discussion with you on this topic. You have a hypothesis( actually I don't think it even qualifies as that).It is not a scientific theory. If you think it is, you are sadly delusional. TOE is a Scientific theory. Something very different from your theory. No matter what you think they are not on the same ground. How come you pre-judge me without seeing the video??? If that is the way you treat an event and problem in nature, judging without seeing the facts,then it is predictable that you cannot make a good conclusion of the facts of nature. I think the reason why you will defend to death the TOE, not beacsue TOE is correct,but maybe because of your pre-assumptioned belief, right? Your definition of theory is still incorrect. You need to watch the video,it will help you a lot.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3238 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
Well, since it is life that the rat was protecting, then, it must be biotic preservation mechanism. Nothing else, nothing more. So, by biotic preservation mechanism, you mean instinct that has evolved to keep an organism alive long enough to produce offspring? Why didn't you just say so?
Yeah, there will be some similarity in TOE. But in Interrelation Theory, "life" is the purpose of all living organisms that is why the main mechanism is biotic preservation mechanisms BPM. But in TOE, it is the opposite. TOE believes that natural selection is the main mechanism for rats to change, while in Interrelation Theory, it is the will to survive or BPM cause those rats to change. The mechanism of change is mutation with selection. Rats don't change by will, they don't decide how to change or what to change into. If they could do that, they'd never starve or drown because they could change themselves into a bird to escape or a fish to swim. But in TOE, life is still the main purpose of all organisms, so far that living is a prerequisite for passing on genes. What you're proffering is something that does not predict anything different form evolution, does a worse job of explaining how populations change and why, and offers nothing that can be called evidence in favor of your idea because everything you've offered is also evidence for evolution. So, I want you to make a very short, one or two sentence response to this message. Take your time, I've got years. I want you to answer this one question, and nothing else: "What does your idea predict that is in conflict with evolution, and can you show that the prediction you make is actually the way things work? If you can't answer this question, then your idea has no scientific worth and will be relegated to the trash heap of all failed ideas and hypotheses. Edited by Perdition, : Changed the header already
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interrelation Member (Idle past 5361 days) Posts: 31 From: Japan Joined: |
"What does your idea predict that is in conflict with evolution, and can you show that the prediction you make is actually the way things work? If you can't answer this question, then your idea has no scientific worth and will be relegated to the trash heap of all failed ideas and hypotheses. Time. Time kills TOE. Can you please, read some of my answers to RAZD.Read some of my answers/posts here. If not, you will never know Interrelation Theory.Know your enemy first b4 u fight. http://www.interrelation-theory.com Edited by interrelation, : No reason given. Edited by interrelation, : No reason given.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3238 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
Time. Time kills TOE. Time is an integral part of TOE. BZZZZT!! Try again. "What does your idea predict that is in conflict with evolution, and can you show that the prediction you make is actually the way things work?" If you can't answer this question, then your idea has no scientific worth and will be relegated to the trash heap of all failed ideas and hypotheses.
Can you please, read some of my answers to RAZD. Read some of my answers/posts here. Your posts, to RAZD and everyone else, contain mumbo-jumbo and unsupported assertions disguised as facts. I understand you're not a native English speaker, but I often find it very difficult to understand what you're trying to say, and laboring through a novella length post is not something I'm prepared to do, even if the post is the most elegantly written ever. I just want you to post something that contradicts TOE, and show how that what you claim is actually true.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4717 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
TOE believes that natural selection is the main mechanism for rats to change Depending on how you mean this it is either close enough, misleading or wrong. But it nowhere is correct. Selection sorts out mutations between advantageous and disadvantageous. It does not cause them. Changes are random events that happen every time a genome replicates itself. BPM is an effect, not a cause. It is a one of the methods of increasingly efficient replication that genomes have blindly stumbled upon while replicating themselves. A genome is stupid. It replicates itself because that's what genomes do. They don't know. They don't care. They can't. Chemistry is the driving force, not life. Life is what we call that chemistry which successfully reproduces itself. BPM is an attempt give that chemistry (life) deeper meaning. If genome replication has no meaning to genomes there's no need to consider one in the ToE. LCM is also an effect of genomes falling into increasingly efficient methods of replicating themselves. They don't have the capacity to foresee, understand, or plan these methods. Genomes that stumble upon a more efficient method of replication increase their numbers at the expense of those that do not. The stumbling is called mutation, the replication at the expense of others is called selection. APM is a hodgepodge of nonsense. Part of it is a reiteration of LCM. Part of it is MSM. There might be a kernel of independent idea in there but a gnat just few up my nose so I'll be sorting that out leaving you to sort out an independent APM. Your MSM does not deal with time. It is artifice forced upon you to satisfy your insistence that organisms don't evolve beyond their "type". That organisms do evolve beyond their "type" removes the need for it.
I can say [it is an imaginary continent] too to TOE. You can say the ToE is imaginary. But you can pull your boat up it, disembark and build a house on it. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. Thomas Jefferson
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