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Is My Hypothesis Valid???

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onifre
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Message 297 of 409 (515256)
07-16-2009 5:56 PM 		Reply to: Message 296 by Perdition
07-16-2009 5:26 PM

Re: Isolated Incidents - Missing the Point
You don't have to make this claim, you only have to make this claim of things that can interact with us. It could be that there are things all over the place that we can't detect, but we don't see or feel any effect from them because if they interacted with us, we could detect it. QED
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What CS or RAZD have to show is that something can interact with us in a way not currently known, otherwise, we have no reason to believe anything can or does.
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I get what you're say and I agree, we have no reason to believe that it does show that somthing can interact with us. But I hold that belief tenetively.
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I personally can allow for the possibility of it showing that we can interact with something not yet known, but by our current means of detection, external to the human mind and senses, it cannot be verified.
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That is why I made this final statement:
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Oni writes:
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I would say this, with our current methods of detection it seems that these claims are nothing more than "in the mind," but I would not say that as an absolute statement. And I also wouldn't say that they can never be detected in the future. I don't know everything about reality yet to make such a bold statement.
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- Oni
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If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little.
~George Carlin
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onifre
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07-26-2009 12:40 PM 		Reply to: Message 393 by RAZD
07-26-2009 11:57 AM

Hi RAZD,
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An obvious corollary is that there are many elements of reality that we are unable to sense, being limited as we are to 5 senses.
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So then we could not in any way interact with them, and none of our "experiences" can be said to have been a result of, our due to, these "elements of reality that we are unable to sense." Right?
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So we cannot perceive them in any way.
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There can also be rare events that cannot be replicated and due to chaotic circumstances among other reasons.
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But even in rare events the original sensing must have been through the use of our 5 sense, right?
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We all agree that our 5 empirical senses are a means of gaining "perception of any external experience"
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Here is where you completely lose me.
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What are the other means by which we perceive reality?
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- Oni
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