Morality! Thorn in Darwin's side or not?

In fact it does, God is an absolutely moral being, meaning that whatever he does is moral and as a result is whatever he instructs us to do. So to the believer the question of where absolute morality comes from has never been a quandary in any way, for the reason that the believer has long recognized that since God is an absolutely moral being, rape, hate, murder and other such acts are immoral because they have been judged to be so by the spring of absolute morality.Conversely, atheist cannot declare any act to be immoral for they are speaking only subjectively, their viewpoints do not transcend all cultures, nations and societies. An atheist cannot say murder is wrong, then he would have to answer the question why it is wrong, by whose standards, Americas’ standards, Britain’s standards, South Africa’s standards, or maybe by his own standards.What is more God has every right to judge and condemn those who turn away from His absolute moral code, and decide to pursue their own self-determined morality, if human judges can do this in human courts based on what they deem to be morally correct and morally depraved, it follows that the eternal God the starting point of absolute morality can be expected to carry out righteous judgment in His own court as he sees fit in line with his righteousness and complete justice. God does indeed solve any and all philosophical problems with ease for what is impossible with man is possible with the Lord God Almighty.

I will stop you right there Bluejay, championed by whom? Most theists you say, not even by all and definitely not by all the inhabitants of the earth. Your retort does nothing at removing the subjectivity that morality is forsaken with once God has been removed from the picture; all you have done is define morality in terms of atheist s philosophies. You can barely call this an absolute standard, but merely the standard of the atheists in question. Why should morality be defined along those particular lines? But you are missing the point here, at least you have admitted that morality is subjective, but if it is subjective, how can you expect everyone else to adhere to a decision that has been subjectively reached, how can you say that it is wrong to lie if lying is only subjective? It doesn’t make any sense.Not even the golden rule sufficiently explains, in fact it doesn’t explain why a particular action should be morally wrong across the world, for it still doesn’t take away the subjective nature of morality that exists without God, who is the ultimate standard. Morality will still be subjective even in the face of the golden rule, thus a reply like the golden rule doesn’t help solve the problem in anyway.
What I’m saying is this the golden rule isn’t the ultimate standard we are looking for, therefore murder is still not wrong or right, if it continues to be subjective it is neither. For in a subjective world no absolutes can exist.
And furthermore different people have different tastes, George Bernard Shaw once said, Don’t do unto others as you would have them do unto you — their tastes might be different! Suppose I have only a moderate aversion to hurting people, while my masochistic neighbor has a passion for being beaten. If I am obliged by the Golden Rule to maximize the satisfaction of preferences, then it seems I morally ought to beat him.

Firstly I would ask you to reveal the standard you employed in measuring these persons to be good, decent folk, how did you determine that if morality is merely subjective? What can I say here, it is your accepted morality, just don't shove it down the throats of other people, they have their own accepted moralities. This exactly what I have been saying without God morality becomes something that people can accept, drop and handle as they wish, its like a fashion trend, in today out the next day.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

This is not possible for each and every human has a standard that if not slightly remarkably disagrees with the standard of the next human. This is something that becomes very apparent after having spoken to just a few handful of passers on the street, I bet on my life that every person will have a different view regarding what they deem to be morally correct and wrong. In an earlier post of mine, I presented as an example of these varying standards that people have the unending fuss in the States re abortion, this exists because people feel differently about different matters.The slave drivers of American slave trade who forcibly removed black people from their lands and put manacles around their necks did not share the presently adopted standard of the world that All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights, as stipulated in article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Nazi Germany also appeared not to grasp the concept of that same article they followed a different standard. The crux of the matter is this, people abide by varying standards therefore there is no human standard.Furthermore just because a large group of people share the view that human life is valuable and ought to be respected doesn’t make this a moral law, at best it is simply a extensively held opinion, this is the situation the minute morality is said to be subjective it cannot be expected to prevail universally. Because it is not an absolute thing rather it is relative, relating only to a particular group. As an example the Muslim religion regard it to be a moral law that women’s faces and bodies be concealed behind a yashmak, will it make any sense for the Muslims to expect every single woman in the world to also wear yashmaks, but it is a moral law isn’t it? Hence I have been saying that morality is reduced to the status of mere opinion if it loses its absolute nature, in other words if God is removed from the picture. I believe I have partly touched on this point already in my previous paragraphs and earlier posts. But I would like to add this, atheist are quick to say might doesn’t make right concerning God, but they employ the same argument they mock to back their political theories. An atheist reasoning that the preferences of the majority be always respected is no different from a theist saying, follow God for he is mighty and powerful, only in the atheist case the power is invested in the hands of the majority. So I wonder if the majority declare that the existence of the black race is immoral (indeed this has already happened, think of the holocaust, slavery) and thus every black must be chucked out, I wonder if it would be morally correct to kill blacks because a bunch of people say it is. This kind of reasoning is laughable to say the least.
I already tackled the golden rule in a previous post, and right now I have nothing more to say about it.

I have said in an earlier post that we owe the morality present in the world to God that is of course, if God exists and I personally believe he does due to the meaninglessness that would so suddenly enshroud our existence if he didn't. If God was immoral then I think we would expect to notice several things, firstly I doubt if He was evil that he would create beings that are able to tell between what is right and wrong, Wouldn’t it have made more sense for him him to have created an immoral world without any morality in it at all, no remorse no pity, no love; if God was evil in fact wouldn’t he wreak havoc on this earth, by the abuse of his power? I think that the fact that you are still alive tells something of God’s character, namely that he is moral, I believe that he is keeping you alive intentionally, perhaps until the day you realize your faults and turn to him in repentance. No, it doesn’t make morality subjective, God is an absolutely moral being, and therefore whatever he says is absolutely moral and nothing less. Objective morality exist because God exists, morality as it is passed down from God isn’t tempered with, God’s morality is absolute because God is an absolutely moral being, morality is not decided by God per se rather it is just there because it is a part of his good nature. It doesn’t exist separate from God that is it isn’t a force apart from God, it stems from God’s nature, and character. And morality doesn't stem from the cosmos because the cosmos themselves were created by God.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.